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Calculating the Worth of James Neal

This morning the San Jose Sharks broke the bank and extended Patrick Marleau and Joe Pavelski 4 years each. The long time San Jose captain gets $6.9 million per and young Pavelski and his RFA status get $4 million a year after his playoff heroics and twin 25 goal seasons.

The question that gets asked every time someone gets extended to a multi-year deal is how it compares to deals made recently, and how it might set a precedent for deals needing to be made. James Neal's contract situation has not received much attention this off-season with the Modano issues, Richards negotiation, and ownership transfer taking place, but the time may be fast approaching. Neal's numbers don't compare exactly to Pavelski's, but they're close enough to at least take a look at:

James Neal
Age: 22
Games Played: 155

Year Goals Assists Points TOI/G
2008-2009 24 13 37 15:52
2009-2010 27 28 55 18:11

 

Joe Pavelski
Age: 25
Games Played: 275

Year Goals Assists Points TOI/G
2008-2009 25 34 59 18:57
2009-2010 25 26 51 19:28

 

Pavelski is a couple of years ahead of Neal in his development having played 2 seasons prior. I left them out just for the sake of comparison of the last two years only. Goals, assist, points, time on ice...They're not far apart. Where Joe sticks out is the playoffs, and consistency over a greater period of time.

Pavelski, when he was 22 (or 23) years old signed a 2 year deal worth a total of $3.275 million dollars as a kind of bridge deal to his next big pay day, which he earned this morning. The Stars would likely prefer that Neal go the same route rather than jumping to the 4 year deal and the big money. The working theory there is that you give the player a bump, but make them prove it consistently for two additional years before they get "the big one."

Loui Eriksson did the same thing with a 2 year, $3.2 million dollar contract prior to the 2008-2009 season. Then he got his big pay day. Let's look at some players a little more comparable to Neal than Pavelski...

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There appears to be a ton of precedence here in how to handle a player at this stage, but Neal could get some handsome offer sheets to look at if he has his heart set on the longer deal. Perhaps he could go the Rene Borque route and sign an even longer deal to cut down the cap hit a little. Borque signed a six year deal worth $3.3 million a year toward the end of last season. Both players put up similar numbers but Borque is 28 years old while James is only 22. Does he want to wait that long to get to his first UFA contract?

Other players that will be watching all these proceedings closely are Mason Raymond of the Vancouver Canucks, and of course the RFA Bobby Ryan in Anaheim is probably looking for something closer to "the big one," according to Anaheim Calling. Ryan is possibly the cream of the RFA's looking for a deal right now having scored 35 goals last season. Check out Anaheim Calling for a description of what could possibly be difficult negotiations in SoCal.

Raymond, meanwhile, (25 goals, 28 assists, 53 points last year) is 24 years old and find himself in a similar situation. The Cancucks Hockey Blog says he's likely to file for arbitration, but could avoid it with a deal similar to Ryan Callahan's (2 years, $4.6 million).

For another comparable, see Kris Versteeg. (20-24-44 last year). He signed a 3 year, $9.25 million deal last year, and will retain his RFA status when it expires according to Cap Geek.

With Nick Grossman in need of a raise as well, whatever it is will likely be back-loaded like all of the other GM Joe contracts negotiated so far. My official guess is a 2 year deal worth a total of in the neighborhood of $5 million, most of it gets paid next season.

So what do you think? A four or five year deal for the Real Deal? Or a nice two year bridge contract with a raise to get this franchise onto firmer financial ground? It seems obvious what the Stars would prefer...What is James Neal thinking?

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BTW

I don’t know or particularly care to know about CBA minutiae. So I’m sure you all will correct me on several mistaken details or impossibilities.

Just wanted to get a discussion going.

by Brad Gardner on Jun 24, 2010 11:51 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm thinking 2 years.

I’m still not entirely convinced he’s something special without a certain center who’s initials are BR. Make him prove it.

by Sugaa on Jun 24, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

I want to see if he can be the bull in the china shop

That he was in October and November last year, but for longer.

Once he finds the line to straddle with his physical play and aggressiveness, I think he’ll be fine and we’ll know more about what he is. In the mean time, I think he’s awesome.

by Brad Gardner on Jun 24, 2010 11:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed. He just disappointed me so much after his suspension.

He never really did seem to recover from it. Every so often, you would see a flash of the James Neal we’re used to, but not often enough to say he’s worth a multi-year, big payday YET. Give him a couple of years and then re-evaluate.

Then again, after that contract GM Joe gave Lehtonen, who knows what Joe is thinking?

by TracyJean on Jun 24, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree about Neal

But as far as Lehtonen is concerned, Nieuwy couldn’t really offer him less because of what he made last season. It was either pay him slightly more than he was making before, or have absolutely no goaltender going into the off-season.

I’m fairly sure that’s what he was thinking.

by JCWM2 on Jun 24, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

He’s more valueable than Morrow at this point. The kid is just a speedster that loves to put guys against the glass. Unlike Daley, who’s a speedster that’s afraid to hit. Don’t get me wrong, Morrow is valueable but took a step back last season. Think Otter, but faster. Oh, and the bull in the china shop was disproven, or did you not see that episode of Mythbusters?

by bigtill2002 on Jun 24, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I will endeavor

To include more Mythbusters in my post-preparations.

by Brad Gardner on Jun 24, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

You should

Kari Byron alone makes it worth watching.

by bigtill2002 on Jun 24, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not as much as before she had a kid though...

It was a sad day for all of us nerds that were in love with her when that happened.

by Tsudbury on Jun 24, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno

She looks pretty hot again in the latest episodes. She’s in better shape than she was pre-baby.

by jabudi on Jun 24, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

in that case

I’d like to welcome her back to my television

by Tsudbury on Jun 24, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I gotta think that he'd be willing to meet GM Joe part way.

And a 2 yr contract could be fantastic for him when it expires. He could be due 6 million if he develops to what I think he could be. I think he’ll sign for around that 2.5/yr mark for 2-3 seasons.

by Tsudbury on Jun 24, 2010 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

No more than 2 years. I’m not completely sold on Nealer. I need to see him for a couple more seasons to see what he can do.

Grossman, in my opinion, is more of a priority. He’s a good, solid defenseman and Neal is a part of our abundance of left wingers.

Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.

by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jun 24, 2010 12:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Byfuglien to the Thrashers?

Why can’t chicago dump some of their salary cap from defense over here, dang it?

Oh yeah, because we’re broke. That’s why.

by Tsudbury on Jun 24, 2010 1:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Of the right handed RWs Chicago has, Buff was third on my wish list.

The playoffs upped his trade value, but other than those few series he was invisible most of the season and in the Finals. Chicago sold him high. I’m glad we didn’t give up anything for him.

by Pat Iversen on Jun 24, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he had been consistent

All year long, he would have had a huge payday…but I agree with the 2-year crowd. He’s just a gamble at this point, even if he seems like a sure thing.

Remember when Niski seemed like one of those too?

by jabudi on Jun 24, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was just waiting for someone to bring up that name

to agree with it. to be frank, neal is better and a lot of the team disappeared last season. but he’s 22. give a 2 yr 5 mil and make him prove some consistency.

by agvdstars on Jun 24, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neal's a good enough player.

But he’s not special enough to warrant a long-term deal, not now (and probably not in the future, but maybe he will).

by Giant Space Ants on Jun 24, 2010 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I hate to say this but I think his slump after the suspension

kind of works out in the Stars advantage. Had he maintained that level of dominance he showed pre-suspension, it might have been see ya later real deal – you’re out of our price range. Now with this said, I hope we sign him for a bridge deal and that when we re-sign him 2 years from now, he’s earned himself a big fat pay raise from the Dallas Stars and our new owners.

go Stars go!

Proud fan of the #1 college hockey team in the nation - Miami University Redhawks - The Brotherhood. RIP Brendan Burke.

by Happy Girl on Jun 25, 2010 8:09 AM CDT reply actions  

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