Hradek Expects Mike Ribeiro to be Moved This Weekend
ESPN Dallas points out that ESPN "Insider" EJ Hradek has Mike Ribeiro on his short list of trades likely to happen this weekend. The content is part of the ESPN Insider and you can check it out here, so I will only post a small snippet:
GM Joe Nieuwendyk likely would want to upgrade his defense by moving Ribeiro, who'll have some value on the market because there just aren't enough top-six-type centers to go around. I expect him to move over the weekend.
It's not exactly a big surprise, and we've been talking about it around Dallas for a long time, but it's starting to move closer and closer to reality as we approach July 1st.
This is just another extension of our discussion about the Center position earlier this week. Can Joe Nieuwendyk afford to lose Ribeiro when he's unable to get anywhere with the Brad Richards contract negotiations? Can Jamie Benn and Tom Wandell center lines that other teams must respect defensively? If not, the stretch of season when Mike Ribeiro was injured last year could repeat itself for 82 games. He was injured in the road heavy month of January, and with other teams getting the last change and only having to worry about the Richards line, the offensive ground to a near halt.
Shoring up the defense is a necessity, but losing a balanced offensive attack in the process may be too high a price to pay. These are the problems of a team that will spend $14 million LESS than the salary cap next year.
And what will Brenden Morrow's game be like without his partner in crime?
Stay tuned to DBD this weekend in case the exit of Mike Ribeiro should become a reality. Janne Niinimaa for Mike Ribeiro will be a hard trade to top.
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what will Brenden Morrow’s game be like without his partner in crime?
worse than what it was this year.
book it
Why do people persist
with this notion that of course Brenden will be better next year. He has to be, except he doesn’t have to be, especially if Ribiero is traded. Morrow and Benn were terrible together. Morrow needs an elite passer to make him an above average scorer. For all that Benn brings to the table and there is still a great deal of projection in his skill set, he is not, nor will he ever be the passer Ribiero is. Ribs has amazing vision on the ice and the creativity and confidence to attempt passes most guys don’t.
Benn and Morrow together does not a 30 goal, 70 point season project for Morrow. If they trade Ribs, and I don’t think they should, they need to trade Morrow as well. I’ll call it now, his 2010-11 season will be more like last year than 2008 and paying him 4 million to be the 3rd best winger on this team when it has obvious holes on defense and perhaps at center if Richards leaves makes no sense..
You can't forget about the knee injury he suffered
It always takes a full 2 seasons to recover from that. Suggesting that Morrow is utterly useless without one specific player is just as ridiculous as assuming he’d be amazing with another specific player.
Have some faith in your team and your captain, man
Not everyone recovers completely
every time. Expecting him to return to form from two years ago isn’t necessarily realistic.
Morrow won’t be useless but there were games, hell there were weeks he did nothing to show he was even dressed. That can’t all be blamed on his knee because he played his heart out for Team Canada and then returned to Dallas to disappear again.
I want my team to win but I won’t delude myself or say I anticipate them to outperform realistic expectations. Faith is earned and Morrow hasn’t done anything since the 08 playoffs to deserve the benefit of the doubt. He’s not the most physically gifted player and there appear to be realistic questions about his heart these days.
I’d rather see Morrow go than Ribs. But I don’t think GM Joe’s gonna give up on the captain anytime soon. I’ve lost a lot of faith in Morrow over the past year or so…
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jun 23, 2010 4:34 PM CDT reply actions
“Can Joe Nieuwendyk afford to lose Ribeiro when he’s unable to get anywhere with the Brad Richards contract negotiations? "
Says who? Richards’ contract cannot be extended until July 1. The two sides are not supposed to even have discussions until then.
Says The Dallas Morning News
They’re waiting until the ownership picture is clearer. The two sides did speak briefly in April from what we’ve heard.
by Brad Gardner on Jun 23, 2010 5:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i heard it was for Duncan Keith
but in all seriousness I wouldnt doubt it is for a prospect and a draft pick late in the first of this year
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
It is what it is (Wait, what?)
Would prefer to move Morrow, although he probably doesn’t have enough value to move him for much now, and I suppose he has a solid locker-room presence that might be missed. For whatever reason, I’ve never been a big Ribeiro fan, though I can’t deny he’s been good here. Guess it all depends on what the Stars get.
by Giant Space Ants on Jun 23, 2010 5:35 PM CDT reply actions
The problem with Morrow is that I’m pretty sure he has a NTC. That complicates things.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jun 23, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Trade Ribs
And do whatever it takes to keep Richards. We’ve seen how he can completely dominate this year and how well he works with Loui. I’d rather have Richards at 7+ million than Ribeiro for 5. It’s nothing against Ribs, Richards is just much better suited for the new system.
Agree. I'll take Richards and money to spend on defense over Ribs at 5 million per year.
I’m betting Benn will get second-line minutes now.
Make the deal, Joe!
It had better not be Souray...
…or something is VERY wrong with GM Joe. And it would cement my position that the guy is either being fed some serious misinformation from someone who hates the Stars, or he’s just plain in over his head.
Too bad Morrow can’t go too – I’m sorry, but he will not replace the production that Ribs takes with him.
I’m sorry, but I do not like this team minus Ribs plus Souray plus reliance on Mo as a top line center. That’s a couple of steps backwards in my opinion.
It would make sense
to do this before the draft so that we can re evaluate our picks, and determine if we need to replace him at center thru the draft. What about brent burns from the wild?
Concussion problems before the age of 25 make me wary
by Brad Gardner on Jun 23, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe what I'm hearing about Brenden Morrow
He was one thing for 9 seasons.
He hurt his knee
And he was a slightly different thing for 1 season after that.
So which guy is he? The guy from the other 9 seasons, or just the one when the team was flat out bad?
Is Ribeiro’s potential departure going to hurt him? Probably at first, year. And his best friend is moving away so that doesn’t help either, but come on…You write the guy off just like that? I’m not down with it. Not yet. Not even close. I know the kind of guy Brenden is and I expect him to find a way.
I guess it’s just me, though.
by Brad Gardner on Jun 23, 2010 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
i completely agree
morrow still has that passion in him to be the leader this team needs. he was the best captain in the league the 07-08 playoffs and was receiving just praise for it. there’s no way that his level of leadership will just disappear for good.
and we’ve seen what offensive net presence can do for a team. look what buff did for chicago in this year’s playoffs run (i know he just got traded, but he was a key part in their success). morrow gets under the skin of the opponents and works as hard if not harder than anyone on this team (when healthy).
look i’m disappointed with his offensive output and his inconsistent game throughout the year, and his apparent concentration on the olympics and not dallas. but he’s a key part of this team going forward and rebuilding.
by agvdstars on Jun 23, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's depressing to hear fans so quick to throw him under the bus.
It was one season, plus he was wanting to play for his country… even if it was exactly right, I can at least understand him playing a little safe to make sure he doesn’t reinjure the knee.
Don’t forget that not only was he the hero in the 2008 playoffs, when he got injured the next season, he worked his ass off trying to recover in time to be ready for the playoffs if the Stars had gotten there. He was WEEKS ahead of schedule because of how much heart he had.
agreed.
morrow did bust his ass to get back. just needed more time to heal. he’ll be better this coming season.
by Travis Drybread on Jun 25, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, so we’ve established that Ribs will probably be traded. Who exactly are we trading him for?
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jun 23, 2010 9:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hradek posted something about the Stars looking into Kaberle.
I can’t think of how that would work out, because it’d probably have to involve more than just those two. So it’s probably just speculation for the point of speculation. But most trade rumors are just that anyways, so why stop now?
by Giant Space Ants on Jun 23, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure how Hradek can say "trade Ribeiro to shore up the defense" and "get Tomas Kaberle" in the same breath.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jun 23, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
To quote Kip Dynamite
“Like anyone could even know that”
Honestly though, I have seen no speculation (baseless or otherwise, actually) to suggest any names. There were a couple of Minnesota sources that suggested Burns (only after Brandon wrote about it at PHT) and the usual Souray suggestions that I think everyone hates…I don’t think Joe wants to get OLDER with a trade…Other than that we’ve got nothing to work with.
how about these ideas...
ribs and niskanen for (NYR) callahan and girardi/staal/del zotto (one of those guys i would take)
ribs and nisky for (BOS) krejci, mcquaid and a 2nd/3rd rounder
ribs, niskanen, pick for (NAS) suter , lower pick (love suter; played really well in the olympics)
ribs, niskanen for (MIN) barker/schultz and wellman(they wouldn’t trade him) so a pick
that’s what i got on the top of my head.
How bout we keep Nisky...
…and trade Daley. I have no confidence in Daley considering his cap and stats. Last year was his “Go big or go home” moment. Nisky needs to play with a solid partner. My belief is that we need to sign a free agent that can either play with Nisky, or allow Grossman to partner with him. I really don’t wanna buy another jersey before they design some decent ones.
I am still "FRISKY FOR NISKY"
by RealDealNeal on Jun 23, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Somebody
Seriously wants to get Nisky the hell outta here and I can’t blame you, sir.
by bigtill2002 on Jun 24, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
That NYR trade would need some more coming back from NY, they're wayyy up against the cap.
And I doubt they’re willing to part with Staal or Callahan. Though I’d love having them.
Boston is stacked at the center position anyways, and the talk is that assuming they pick up Seguin (which is becoming more and more likely) they’ll need to dump Krejci off somewhere, but not for another center.
Nashville could use a center, though I don’t know if they’d be willing to give up Suter after they got rid of Hamhuis. Possibility though.
Minnesota…..they acquired Barker this season, so I don’t know if I believe the reports that he’s on the market. I think Burns/Schultz is a more likely option.
i was just trying to think of teams that need offense
and ribs will give you that. that’s why i could see nashville, minnesota, phoenix (reunite with tipper), etc.
One problem- I'm not sure we can count on Wandell for much.
Because Wandell’s coming off a torn acl, and the last guy on this team to tear his acl is now the guy most people are upset that we can’t trade instead of Ribeiro. Sure, Wandell’s younger and a different type of player, but he also had none of the track record Morrow had. I don’t know, maybe I’m being unfair. I admit I don’t know the track record of acl recovery for hockey players.
As for Souray, he’s the type of guy I’d be OK with if the Stars had money. I know, it’s silly to dream of money. But I think he’d be decent ( at least for the 20 games he plays)- which is much better than what we have. But you don’t trade a guy like Ribeiro for him, and since they don’t have money, the Stars shouldn’t mess around with him anyways.
by Giant Space Ants on Jun 23, 2010 10:28 PM CDT reply actions
I outlined some of the
Wandell with Morrow and Benn struggles here in January
http://www.defendingbigd.com/2010/1/14/1251402/dallas-stars-centers-anything-but
Wandell was a drag almost anywhere he was for a time.
Then he had points in three straight games (Jan 16th, Jan 18th, Jan 21) leading up to his injury on Jan 21st. So it looked like he was finally coming around and then…bam.
I agree though…I don’t know what to expect from Wandell next season. The Stars need him to take a step forward.
by Brad Gardner on Jun 23, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok
I’m going out on the limb here, but I see Wandell having a great season this year. Book it.
by bigtill2002 on Jun 24, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Morrow...
There are just some players who dig in deep, who come up big, Gives more than they have. Morrow has character and plays team hockey and can be a glorious hitting and scoring bastard! lol! .. give him a break for the ACL, eh.
by KStars on Jun 23, 2010 11:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
In almost any sport it usually takes the player at least one full season before theyre in typical game form again. Lets not throw Morrow under the bus just yet.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jun 23, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Souray better not be what's coming to us.
I like the NYR idea of getting Del Zotto/Staal. Don’t know if they’d be willing to lose either of them though.
Maybe we can get Carlson out of Washington if we sweeten it with something.
Burns seems like he could be worthwhile, but we’ve got to make sure we keep his head away from hard objects. Maybe try to get James Sheppard. Good prospect coming off a down season. He just got a one year extension so the risk is low. And we could even drop Niskanen’s rights in there just to make me feel better. I like this idea. Ribs/Nisky for Burns/Sheppard. They get a good center and a project and we get an injury prone defenseman and a project.
by Travis Drybread on Jun 24, 2010 3:01 AM CDT reply actions
on another note
trading ribeiro will make bringing modano back make a lot more sense.
I’d rather have Richards, Benn, Modano as my top 3 centers with a better D corps than have Richards, Ribeiro, Benn as my top 3 centers and have the same D corps as we do now.
We trade Ribs for a decent, at least somewhat proven defenseman and maybe a prospect/pick, sign a free agent defenseman with some upside, and we’ll probably end up only losing a little bit of the cap room we have while vastly improving the team.
by Travis Drybread on Jun 24, 2010 3:11 AM CDT reply actions
The Hockey Writers are....
Suggesting Ribeiro to Atlanta for a prospect and the 8th overall pick. THAT would be a dream scenario for me. Just saying
yeah i would do it.
draft forbort and el nino at 11 and 8 respectably. very feasible.
let’s face it. this team is a borderline playoff team. drafting those two talents and bring em up to the roster for the 11-12 season along with glennie, resign richards, have neal, eriksson, ott, morrow, benn, etc and grossman, robidas, fistric… not bad at all and IMO definitely a playoff team.
but i see the other side of the coin as well. that’s all based on the assumption that those players all develop smoothly and the richards deal progresses as just.
We saw that
And we wondered if they could get someone at 8 to help the team immediately.
We’re still wondering.
Personally I’m not interested in trading Ribeiro for (only) prospects and picks. This team needs help now.
If we drafted at the eight spot, we’d have a better chance at Forbort. God knows we need a big, smart defenseman. Plus, we could trade the eleven pick for a number one defenseman that we could use now.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jun 24, 2010 12:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Isn't the Stars minor league system pretty bare?
Granted, they’ve been proactive in bringing up the best of ‘em pretty quickly, but it’s not exactly encouraging to see them ranked close to last when it comes to those rankings. I’d rather they make a deal like the suggested one for Atlanta’s pick (however unlikely that would be) than trade Ribeiro for a so-so D-man like the ones we seem to think they’d be eyeing (those Minnesota ones, for example). Stars may need help now, but that doesn’t mean they can’t look at improving the future.
by Giant Space Ants on Jun 24, 2010 1:25 PM CDT reply actions
I'd say this:
Trade Ribs for the pick and a prospect. turn around and use your second round pick and either the eighth OR the 11th (not both) to move up to grab a top five defenseman. I know we will probably have to include the likes of niskanen or brunnstrom but who cares. It maybe a long shot but…. do able?
Heika has been saying for awhile there's no way the Stars want to move up in the draft...they're not willing to pay that price.
They value their quantity of picks.
I take it you mean their lack of quantity?
Because if they’re satisfied with having the fewest picks in the draft, well, that’s sort of odd.
by Giant Space Ants on Jun 24, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
with the "Ribeiro for #8 and a prospect" idea, though
An interesting scenario could emerge where the Stars might be able to trade up by packaging both picks, 8 and 11, to get into the top 5, where you might get a Gudbranson or Fowler. Highly highly highly unlikely, but a juicy idea for sure.
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