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Would the Stars Actually Prefer that Modano Retire?

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Yesterday the AP published a pretty typical "will he or won't he?" piece on Mike, taking advantage of his availability at Texas Motor Speedway when he was unable to drive the pace car for the rain delayed Drive-Cars-in-Circle 500 or whatever it's called.

You can see Mo pictured here, looking as cool as only Mike Modano can. I saw the images in our editor software yesterday afternoon and something just didn't feel right to me. Even after all the hoopla of the last several weeks, seeing Mike Modano AP images outside the realm of stick and puck was a little disconcerting. Is this is it? Is this the Modano we get now? He'll do "appearances," showing up here and there around town; Smiling for the camera. A celebrity. A face?

Then he started talking about how he was "on the fence" and I found that I'm pretty "on the fence" about all of this too.

The guy who really must be on the fence, though, is Joe Nieuwendyk. Mike's recent quotes are littered with little hints that he hasn't actually been told that he can come back next year if he wants to. This is something that some focused on during that last week of the season (Dan McDowell of The Ticket for instance) but I didn't want to talk about it then. I think everyone was a lot happier just celebrating the guy, just in case. But now that he's been celebrated and it's all over, it's fair to ask the question in this space:

Would they take him back? Or do they prefer that he retire?

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We can't know what conversations they've had privately, but indications are that they've had only limited dialogue on the subject. The AP report says:

This time, Modano doesn't have a contract for the following season and has yet to discuss one with general manager and former teammate Joe Nieuwendyk.

"That will be something that's down the road as well. There's no rush to decide on that," Modano said. "I think Joe's kind of given me the leeway to kind of take my time and make a good decision and come back and talk to him a few times, see how they feel. ... I've known Joe for years and he's been really honest and open about the whole scenario, so that's been nice."

Which is kind of shocking to hear to some, because when you ask Modano about that, what you'd like to hear as a Stars fan is "The team would like to have me back, so I'll factor that into my decision." or at least "Joe has said he will support ANY decision I make."

Nieuwendyk (or Crawford?) specifically mentioned Jere Lehtinen in the exit interviews done last week in Frisco as someone who they would like to have back. There's been no such talk about Modano, and you'd think that if they were indeed willing to bring Mike back, they'd have mentioned it by now. Instead there's this very akward silence about the whole deal.

Now to be fair, Nieuwendyk probably doesn't want to tip his hand too early. He doesn't know how contract negotiations with Brad Richards will pan out, and that (along with any potential trades done over the summer closer to July) will have an effect on the teams needs at center. There's also money to consider and a blanket "Yeah, Mike can play if he wants to" statement would adversley affect GM Joe's financial bargaining position where Modano is concerned.

Still. It's MIKE MODANO. Even when you take all that into consideration, don't you have to make an exception for Mike-stinking-Modano?

I'm not saying that they don't want him back. I am only trying to read the clues and sift through the evidence. The aforementioned BaD radio talked to Mike about this very thing before the season is over and asked him point blank:

BaD Radio (Dan, I think): I'm asking you do you think that's a possibility this summer, that the Stars might say, ‘Hey Mike, it's been fun.'

Modano: Yea, yea. I'm sure that's on the list and that's a possibility. Certainly with the move of [Jamie] Benn to center and then you got [Tom] Wandell coming back from his leg surgery so there are your four centers there so you're kind of wondering...you're on the outside looking in at that point when those guys get healthy and they're back at training camp. So yea, that would probably be a decision they might throw at me.

I heard that live and it pained me to hear him answer it like that. Again, I expected him to say "No, that would never happen, I would never go anywhere else and they told me I can play if I feel like I can still be productive..." Blah, blah, blah.

What about the other side of the coin?

Are you a better hockey team next season without Mike Modano than with him? Joe has to consider the possibility. Pending off-season departures (I think we all feel certain the potential for Center movement involves departures, not arrivals) it's a hard question to answer, but think it through with only the players currently on the team. Is Jamie Benn ready to lead an attack and balance the offense as a third line center? Is the difference between Modano as a 4th line guy and Sutherby as a 4th line guy so small that you'd rather just save the money?

What about special teams? 10 power play points sure, but 13 total minutes on the penalty kill all season long. Seriously. He went from 2 minutes per game on the PK in 2008-2009, to an average of 13 seconds a game in 2009-2010. So they won't miss him there.

Still, call it nostalgia or "good old days" syndrome or whatever you want: But I wouldn't mind seeing Modano on the team next year.

He told the AP yesterday, regarding missing the playoffs: "That's the hard part. You leave on a real bad taste in your mouth about how we played," Modano said. "That too is a real motivating factor because you hate to end on that type of note. You like to go in the playoffs, make a good run and have some excitement. ... But then you have a type of run like that and you're like, 'Hey, let's do it again next year."

We talked on Defending Big D Live last week about how it might feel a little weird to see him come back after the tremendous goodbye's and emotions of the preceding days, but just a week later, seeing Mike in street clothes being "Mike the Celebrity" instead of "Mike the Hockey Player," I already miss him out there. The question is: Does Joe Nieuwendyk?

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It's been mentioned elsewhere...

but coming back for next year would make for a tiring and distracting year. Think about it. Every city he goes to would have to salute the greatest American scorer in his last game in that building. Pregame cermonies, etc. etc. It would get tiring to say the least. Also, coming down the stretch when the Stars would be (hopefully) battling for playoff seeding is when all these festivities would be occurring. Perhaps it was best that all this hoopla happened in a non-playoff year, when the distraction was an OK one because there were no playoffs to concentrate on.

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by scm83x on Apr 19, 2010 1:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the budget issue definitely has Joe's hands tied...

but it looks like Mo is fully aware and understanding of the situation. If Mo comes back to Center the 4th line, I think the only way that hapens is if he gets paid like a 4th line center. 750k-1 million max. I don’t really see Joe pulling the trigger if it costs them any more than that. I’m sure he wouldlike to, but he just can’t.

As for the argument that goes something like “we owe it to him to let him play,” that’s not necessarily true. The Stars lived up to their end of the contract, and he lived up to his. At the end of the day, the big picture is about Dallas bringing back the Stanley cup, and making decisions that hurt that goal is pure nonsense. It doesn’t mean that I like it, but it’s true nonetheless.

A lot of people tend to compare him to Farve, but the main difference for Farve is that he can still post the amazing numbers that he does. This last season was one of the best in his entire career. Mo’s numbers have been in steady decline.

And like the post above me said, we’ve already said our goodbyes. I agree that next year may just be more distractions instead of focusing on getting back to the playoffs. I’m gonna miss him dearly, and I’ll always be thankful for what he did with this team, but it may be time to start looking to the future of the franchise. Besides, you can’t top those last 2 games. The sendoffs that he got were incredible, and it would have an awkward feeling if he came back.

by Tsudbury on Apr 19, 2010 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Totally agree.

Those sendoffs could not have gone any better than they did, and him returning could cheapen them in a way. I’d like to see him come back, because him on the team is all I’ve ever known.

That being said, it’s probably smarter not to have him back as a player. I hope the group he’s involved with purchases the team and that he’s still a part of the team in some fashion. Even if he’s not in control, having Modano up near the top of the organization would be a step in the right direction.

He is the face of the Dallas Stars and he needs to continue to be.

by Travis Drybread on Apr 19, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I guess I'm alone on this one

But I’m not ready for “Modano: The guy who shows up at parties with his wife”. I like Modano: The hockey player.

(I don’t like change. Just ask my wife. I hate it.)

But that’s not really the point. The point is that the Stars should come out and say “If Modano wants to play, he can play.” Because it’s the right thing to do, IMO.

by Brad Gardner on Apr 19, 2010 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

If they can change the ownership somehow and free up more money to spend

I’d like him to come back and play. But, with the resigning of Neal, Grossman, Barch, and whoever else they haven’t brought back that they intend to keep on the team, along with whatever defensive free agent studs they hope to get out of free agency, it’s going to be hard to financially afford another center. Even if it is Mike Modano.

by Travis Drybread on Apr 19, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we gotta keep Krys Barch!!!

In all seriousness though, I think you make a valid point, even if I don’t agree with it (I guess I’m too sentimental).

However, I don’t think it’s as cut and dry as that. Sure, financially it may be best for him to retire. But if word seeps out that he wanted to come back, and the Stars wouldn’t pony up the cash to do so…well, I don’t think that’ll look good. Not to fans, who’ll see the team turning their back on their icon; and probably not to players, who, although I’m sure they understand it’s a business, probably aren’t going to feel to comfortable playing for a team with a front office that appears to have a strange concept of loyalty (Just speculation- admittedly, I’m talking over my head here). Because, in the end, it is Mike Modano. Fair or not, things have to go differently with guys like that.

by Giant Space Ants on Apr 19, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

In a perfect world

he’d be involved with ownership so that Hicks will be uprooted and removed, and he’d play as a part owner.

by Travis Drybread on Apr 19, 2010 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Did anybody hear the last 2

interviews with GM Joe just before the season was over? I knew after hearing him speak of the whole situation, he is praying like hell Mo hangs it up.

by zombie on Apr 19, 2010 4:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes I did,

 reading between the lines, he was basically saying they have no room. Every time a question on Mike came up Joe gave the std lip service, then immediately started talking about how great Wandell was and what a great job Benn did and they want to keep trying him at center. It’s not financial at all … it’s they want to advance the young guys. I think even more than praying like hell, he will tell Mike that in private and hope like hell he just announces retirement and go quietly into the sunset.

Only way I see them considering his return is if they pull a trade on Ribs (poor fit with Crawfords system) or Richards (can’t get any extension done). Then he makes good sense as your 3rd liner with capability to move up if needed for injuries. Mike (really none of the 4 mentioned) really fit the kind of banging, checking 4th liner they want.

by 1paniolo on Apr 19, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

you mentioned they wont miss him on the pk...

I think they already did, this past season. Modanos been a great PKer for several years. The Stars PK this year was horrendous, I know the legs were older and the energy not as great, but no one will ever be able to convince me that Mike Modano couldn’t have had a postiive impact on that terrible aspect for the Stars.

I got the impression that Joe didn’t want Modano back several months ago. I don’t know exactly why, but I suspect he simply wants to put more of his own stamp on the team. One thing thats certain, if Modano ends up wanting to return, and has to do so with a different franchise because Joe N. said “thanks but no thanks”, Joe is going to quickly lose his popular loved one citizenship among stars fans.

by TimAH on Apr 19, 2010 7:09 PM CDT reply actions  

If we move Ribs...

Mo could be needed as 3rd line center if Wandell’s post-injury play suffers as much as Morrows.

I am still "FRISKY FOR NISKY"

by RealDealNeal on Apr 19, 2010 7:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Modano has earned the right to decide if he has a spot or not...

although I do believe that it would simply be easier if he were to retire. Secondly I would like him to play only wing, unless injury of course.

by modano9 on Apr 19, 2010 7:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Of course, given the goodbyes that Mike has been given, both here and in Minnesota, if he does come back, any further goodbye won't have quite the same impact.

If Mike does want to retire, he couldn’t pick a better way to go out than the way this season ended (except for the team not making the playoffs).

by TracyJean on Apr 20, 2010 5:54 AM CDT reply actions  

bigger question

Ribero…what can we get for him? Is he worth trading?

(Without Ribero we would be a little better to keep modano, otherwise we can look forward to some great #9 jersey retirement night.)

by KingPodda on Apr 20, 2010 8:48 AM CDT reply actions  

He has a right to a roster spot.

I just don’t think they want him back, though. As much as I don’t want to see Mo go, it would benefit the team for him to leave. It would waste precious money to resign him, especially when we’ve already got Benn and Wandell to take Modano’s place.

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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Apr 20, 2010 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

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