Gameday Preview: St. Louis Blues @ Dallas Stars (7:30pm CST)
The logjam at the bottom of the Western Conference standings will jumble once again tonight after the St. Louis Blues meet the Dallas Stars at the American Airlines Center. The questions is: Which way will the Stars go? They remain two points behind 8th place Detroit, and 2 points out of 13th place with St. Louis, Anaheim, and Minnesota nipping at their heals. A loss tonight coupled with unfortunate Friday NHL results could see the Stars in 12th place by the time they take the ice against the Penguins on Saturday afternoon. Win tonight, and they're tied for 8th and pass Calgary for the moment.
These teams have split their first two meetings, each winning in each others barn. The Stars beat St. Louis 4-1 back in October, then lost in a shootout the day before Thanksgiving, 4-3. The goal that sent the November game to overtime, you'll remember, was heroically scored by Brenden Morrow with a deft deflection by his, um, "crotchal region." No word yet on if Morrow plans to employ similar tactics tonight.
St. Louis is a formidable road opponent, going 17-9-4 away from Scottrade Center. They have points in 7 of their last 10 games, and have won 4 in a row entering tonight's match-up. They sit one point back and will be highly motivated to climb over the Stars on their way to a possible playoff birth. Expect their best punch tonight.
With Pittsburgh, Washington, and Buffalo looming on the road, the Stars desperately need this win to bolster their confidence after being dominated completely by the Kings on Tuesday. We don't want to call this a must win with 20 games remaining, but it's feeling that way.
After the jump, a look at the Blue trade deadline, who's starting in goal?, and an injury update...
The Stars:
Coach Marc Crawford told the Dallas Morning News that Kari Lehtonen will likely not be starting Thursday against the Blues: "It's a possibility, but I don't think it's a likelihood for tomorrow," Crawford said. "You're looking to see how he's recovering, how he's fighting through screens, what's his energy, He's close. He'll be fine when he comes back in, whether it's Thursday or Saturday, it's going to be one of those two."
If it's a question of Kari Lehtonen not being ready physically to start tonight, that's one thing. But what do you think about the decision if it's purely a strategic/mental decision made by the coach? Is an afternoon game at Pittsburgh a good place to debut? Do you think that the pressure on Lehtonen would be less without the home crowd? Could it be that the St. Louis game is merely the more important of the two, and Marty Turco gives the Stars a better chance to win?
More importantly, how long do you stick with Turco if the Stars begin to slide in the playoff race? These are decisions I'm glad I don't have to make.
The lines for Tuesday's game had a much different look to them at the end than when it began. The third period combinations seemed to be something like this:
Neal-Richards-Eriksson
Morrow-Ribeiro-Benn
Ott-Modano-Lehtinen
Barch-Petersen-Segal
Mark Fistric is expected back in the lineup tonight after missing the first game back from the break because of lingering issues with having his knee scoped.
The Blues:
We go to SB Nation partner "St. Louis Game Time" where a guy with a really kick ass first name writes something that reminds me an awful lot of things being said around Dallas these days:
They didn't acquire any draft picks or highly regarded prospects. They didn't cash in any players set to be unrestricted free agents in the offseason. Basically they stood pat. And I can see where that's a good thing. And I can see where that's a bad thing.
The first implication from a lack of trades is that the Blues didn't want to break apart any piece of the team to hurt their chances for making the playoffs. They stand three points out of eighth, but they are one of five teams within three points of that spot. So with 19 games, it's going to be a hectic dogfight for that last spot. Subtracting any player on the NHL roster would have hurt that effort. So that's a good thing, right?
What that means to me is that the Blues are realistic and understand that they're not one or two players away from a deep playoff run. So they didn't deal any draft picks or highly regarded prospects for rental players. So while the team is pushing for the playoffs, they didn't help themselves reach that goal. So that's bad, right?
We start to see as we look at reactions from various teams....the market just wasn't there yesterday. There are other GM's in the same position, or worse, than Joe Nieuwendyk when it comes to the prospect of watching UFA's walk come July.
The Blues projected payroll this year is only $2 million more than the Stars.
Injuries:
Dallas: Tom Wandell (knee) and Brian Sutherby (shoulder) are out.
St. Louis: Keith Tkachuk is out (broken finger)
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I'll be there
I think Lehtonen should start tonight. Starting him in Pittsburgh isn’t a good decision IMO because well, its Pittsburgh. Start him tonight against a mediocre Blues team in front of the home crowd to get some confidence going. This game could tell alot. It could tell us whether or not the stars can bounce back from being run out of thier own building by LA, and if they can stay in or around that eigth spot.
Lehtonen Should Start Against Pit
He know Pittsburgh shooters better and is familiar with their styles since he comes from the East…so, for that reason I lean to start him then…if it’s a choice between tonight and Pit game…personally I’d start him both
by 5PointPuckism on Mar 4, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
i'll be in attendance as well
i’m 50/50 on Lehtonen, i wouldnt mind him starting tonight but that’s primarily b/c i want to see him!
sure he needs some seasoning and i really cant comment if he needs “confidence” or not. but this guy is a former all-star who’s played in over 200 NHL games and when healthy should be a top 5-8 netminder in the league.
he’s not a rookie prospect that you want to nurture. for an experienced pro like him, it shouldnt matter if it’s STL, PIT, CHI, EDM or whomever. the fact is that he simply needs to play. plus im sure Crawford might keeping the schedule in mind as well.
by ludwig's mullet on Mar 4, 2010 12:48 PM CST reply actions
I'll also be there.
I would enjoy seeing Lehtonen start, but wouldn’t mind Turco. All I want is our defense to show up and us to snag a regulation win…
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The Stars had better win.
The three games after the Blues scare me. Teams like Buffalo, Pitt and Washington will almost certainly roll over our lowly Stars. I like Buffalo and Washington so I wouldn’t be completely depressed if the Stars lose. But I really hate Pittsburgh and I’d love to see the Stars beat them.
I hope Brenden remembers that Crosby is no longer his teammate and then breaks Sid’s little heart…
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Mar 4, 2010 1:51 PM CST reply actions
Honestly, this game is probably as close to a must win as you're going to get right now
St Louis is right behind us in the standings, so a loss would hurt us badly (unless some of the other games bounce our way). We need to win this one in regulation – no giving them any points. And apparently it’s official – Turco is in goal tonight. According to Heika, Lehtonen was not feeling great after practice, although that may not have anything to do with the decision, since Crawford was already said to be leaning heavily towards Turco tonight/Lehtonen Saturday.
Anyway, a loss tonight and then going out on that road trip – brutal would not be the word for it.
Not to be a Debbie Downer here...
But I really don’t understand not making any moves on trade day. This team is NOT going to get far in the playoffs if they even make it…and yet they didn’t make a move to dump salary OR pick anyone up. Several decent defensemen went for mid draft picks. No one amazing, but definite upgrades.
It’s been said before but bears repeating: I hope we’re not “rebuilding while trying to win” right now.
My guess would be they didn't want the extra salary,
unless it was for someone they want long term. Even then they probably used up any cushion they had with getting Lehtonen and not being able to move either of the other guys. I got the impression they were looking for the opposite … trading somebody for some draft choices.
Old news dude...
there’s a long thread about the lack of any trades ON the deadline..Stars made moves BEFORE the deadline…enough said
by 5PointPuckism on Mar 4, 2010 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
They also said that Benn was still taking faceoffs
at practice/morning skate…
I am curious about that experiment. I thought Benn was borderline invisible on Tuesday.
Rumor has it the Stars are going to deal Ribeiro this summer
So if they deal Ribeiro to improve the defense, then who else plays center? They want Benn at center so they can have the fullest evaluation possible to determine whether he can handle the position. Perhaps if they think he’ll be significantly better at wing they’ll try to get a young center back or they’ll nix trading ribs and try something else. Regardless they’re determining whether the kid can handle the position and be good there or whether he’s really best suited to wing and they’ll have to try someone else there if necessary.
Heika has it:
"It would've been a huge momentum boost if we had beaten the St. Mary's School for the Blessed, Blind, Deaf and Dumb."
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That's not where I heard the rumor
I heard it months ago from another source that’s very connected. They’ve been contemplating it for a while now.
This rumor is yet another reason I have serious issues with this management group. What if you trade Ribs and Richards decides not to re-sign? How good will the club be going into 2011?
Ah. Could you link to the rumor though? I'm intrigued now.
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Rumor from a friend with a friend connected to the club
don’t have a link other than the Heika one up above.
Yeeeeeyeah...right.
Conveniently unverifiable. Gotta love it.
by 5PointPuckism on Mar 4, 2010 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Hey I told you what I heard
I told you where it came from. You can think I’m lying. Though I would hope I’m not so bored with my life that I would resort to making things up on an internet bbs. Regardless, if you wish to ignore what I said that’s fine. But just know that yes the club is contemplating trading Ribeiro to shore up the defense. Believe me or don’t. Whatever, but don’t be surprised if those rumors really start to float or if Joe loses his mind it happens.
What do you have against Joe?
He’s hasn’t even been on the job for 1 year and you have had NOTHING but negative things to say about him.
Just wondering…maybe your “connection” soured you.
There are 29 other teams you can root for ya know.
by 5PointPuckism on Mar 4, 2010 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Personally I have nothing against him.
Joe the hockey player was great. Joe the person seems intelligent and I’ve never heard anything bad about him. Joe the GM, well what has he done? The Eriksson extension is good. The Crawford hire is at best incomplete. The Lethonen trade? I didn’t like giving up Vishnevskiy but the organization has a different opinion on him than I do. I can respect that and wait and see how Kari does. I do though have issue with the fact that you’ve traded for your future goaltender but have not in fact played him yet. They need to keep running Turco out there why? I hate the Ott extension. I really dislike being told that the defense is fine it just needs more time. That’s either a lie or he thinks we as fans are idiots, or he is incompetent at the job for which he was hired. Joe the GM that thinks Ott is a greater priority than the defense or that possibly having to trade one of the centers to fix the defense while giving Ott that extension with a team on a budget. That I have serious problems with.
How much of his lack of activity at the trade deadline is him and how much is being hogtied by Hicks I can’t say. We may not know till after the sale. Heck we may never know. That said there are budget issues but there are several ways around that if you’re willing to make a hard choice based solely on talent. This team’s strident belief that Niskanen will turn it around is another issue. How long can they put him out there and it be acceptable? Sometimes young players don’t work. And two years of bad play just might be who he is as a player rather than the first six months paired with Zubov. I also completely disagree with his opinion on Stephan Robidas.
I’m going to be a fan of this team. I was before he came along and I will be after he moves on for whatever reason. I am in fact rooting for him to do well because that means my team is doing well. I do not agree with the vast majority of things he’s done so far. Its the internet the point is to share one’s opinions. I have done so and stated why. I refuse to muzzle my opinion because “attacking” Joe, Morrow, Robidas, Ott, Turco, the defense, and at times Mike Modano offends others. This team has enough talent to win but it is not. Ergo there are other issues of which Joe Niewendyk is a part.
I agree
With pretty much everything you said. I love Ott as a player and I still think he can potentially step it up and be better offensively. He definitely showed potential when Morrow was out most of the year last year.
BUT I don’t think if you’ve got money issues and no guarantees in defense that you sign Ott for that amount. I’d hate to see him go but I just don’t see how it was a sound investment.
Now maybe they make Benn a permanent 2nd line center paired with Morrow and Ott and they ditch Ribeiro. I can definitely see that, if Benn is any good. And if Ott could make an adjustment.
I don't understand
Why a rumor about a player the team probably has to dump to shed salary is so completely unbelievable to you.
Not necessarily a rumor, per se, more like Heika's speculation.
But it is interesting.
"It would've been a huge momentum boost if we had beaten the St. Mary's School for the Blessed, Blind, Deaf and Dumb."
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i really wanna watch kari play...
i love marty turco… but i really wanna see this “goalie of the future” play
Texas Rangers- You hang 'em, we bang 'em!
On another note, everyone should check out Heika's blog today to see Kari's new mask.
In a word: Awesome. Simply awesome.
"It would've been a huge momentum boost if we had beaten the St. Mary's School for the Blessed, Blind, Deaf and Dumb."
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I think
the mask alone was worth the trade.
This is true.
"It would've been a huge momentum boost if we had beaten the St. Mary's School for the Blessed, Blind, Deaf and Dumb."
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