Defending Big D's 2010 NHL Trade Deadline Open Thread
by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 9:07 AM CST
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Good morning and welcome to DBD's coverage of the 2010 NHL Trade Deadline! Stay tuned to this thread all day as we'll keep an eye on all the deals made in the NHL up to and beyond the 2 pm CST deadline.
Of course we'll be paying special attention to not only our pacific division rivals and the moves they make, but teams that the Stars are fighting with for a final playoff spot. The Flames, Red Wings, Blues and others that are within a few points of the Stars from about 6th place to 13th.
Some thoughts to ponder as we go on with this day:
- Will last night's abomination of a game against L.A. force GM Joe's hand into any deals?
- Speaking of Nieuwendyk, this is his first Trade Deadline day as a general manager, is he more likely to not make a move and stay away from possibly being taken advantage of?
- The Coyotes and Kings have been great this season and major surprises.. What kinds of moves will they make and will that push the Sharks into any kind of action?
- What will the other contenders do? Chicago has cap issues, no one knows what Washington really wants, do the Devils go out and get some help on the blue line, same question for the Canucks...
- Will I be able to con someone into getting me some machine pressed hash browns from McDonalds so I don't have to leave my desk? And will my girlfriend leave me after being fed up with all the hockey in this house from about Sunday afternoon on? (Oh and by the way: CAN-A-DA!! CAN-A-DA!!)
Also keep in mind tonight we'll have a special edition of Defending Big D Live at 7:00 PM CST! Join Brad, Brandon B and myself as we talk about today's deadline, go over the gruesome details of last night's game and speculate on what the next month will bring for your Dallas Stars! A show link will be posted on the website later today!
NOTEABLE TRADES:
To Coyotes: D - Derek Morris / To Bruins: '10 4th round pick
Seems like Morris gets moved every trade deadline doesn't it? Still a good move for the Coyotes who help bulk up their blueline. In a way it is kinda nice to see the Coyotes be buyers at a deadline instead of their usual role of fire-sale movers.
To Ducks: D - Aaron Ward / To Hurricanes: G - Justin Pogge & '10 4th round pick
Ducks also bulk the blue line up a bit... Is this an upgrade over Artyukhin who they moved a couple of days ago? I'm not sure. Ward is a better puck handler at least, but may not be quite as physical. At the very least he can throw a punch like no one else.
To Coyotes: F - Wojtek Wolski / To Avalanche: F- Peter Mueller & F - Kevin Porter
Love this deal for Phoenix right now. Wolski may have been frustrating for the Avs, but he is by far the most talented of the three players in this deal. Mueller is a potentially solid player, but I'm not sold on Porter.. I see him an an AHL star, but maybe 3rd line NHL guy at best.
To Kings: F - Jeff Halpern / To Lightning: F - Teddy Purcell & '10 3rd round pick
Ouch. Facing the Kings as we saw last night was tough enough, but to get a solid face off guy, hard working penalty killer and overall great guy Jeff Halpern in the lineup now as a depth guy? Put him on a line with Ryan Smyth and watch them go to town. Great move for the Kings even if Purcell may devlop in a year or two as a solid depth guy himself.
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Philly needs a goalie... AGAIN
I wonder if Turco going to Philly is a washout completely or will they contact Joe about another deal. Its hard to let Turco go but we might get a good return for someone who needs a good vet goalie
Turco may be too rich for Philly..
And not only that but what could Dallas get in return goalie wise that would be a signal as a huge white flag on the season?
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
true...
Its a gamble for Philly. I think It would work. Philly would have to dump several players our way in order to work it out. its unlikely, but you never know. I think it depends on their decision to re up Emery after this season. I dont think the stars will be wanting a goalie in return. I wish we could get Halak but that deosnt seem likely that Montreal would dump him off, even for Richards.
Derek Morris to Coyotes
In return Bruins get a 4th round pick.
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I've read this opens up room for a Hamhuis trade to Boston.
Which is all well and good, but they still need some offense.
Meanwhile, the Dave Tippetts just got better.
"It would've been a huge momentum boost if we had beaten the St. Mary's School for the Blessed, Blind, Deaf and Dumb."
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Andy Sutton went for a 2nd round pick...
Either Boston has something else planned and needs to move Morris.. Or Morris’ stock has really taken a huge hit.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Martin Skoula's suitcase is getting a workout.
Now he’s off to New Jersey in a trade.
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he was part of the Ponikarovsky trade.. hope for Tor’s sake they get something decent in return because all they got for the guy who’s about to play on Malkin’s line was a 2nd round prospect
Moving Ponikarovsky
Is just a salary dump for Toronto.
Although don’t underestimate Luca Caputi… He’s a very solid prospect and fits nicely in the Brian Burke mold of ideal player.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
TSNs Darren Dregger..
Says he’s traded for a 5th round pick.
Seems about right.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Skoula
Penguins, Colorado Avalanche, Anaheim Ducks, Dallas Stars and Minnesota Wild
New Jersey?
I can’t believe he’s only 30.
He is the new Mike SIllinger
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
And the predecessor to Niskanen.
That might be wishful thinking.
"It would've been a huge momentum boost if we had beaten the St. Mary's School for the Blessed, Blind, Deaf and Dumb."
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Now now...
Lets leave my boy Niskanen alone here.
Although him being moved would not stun me at all.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Shameless plug
I hope I’m allowed one… :)
http://starsscene.com/2010/03/all-day-trade-deadline-spectacular/
I’m also posting some thoughts there.
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Hey guys...
Dallas is supposedly scouting Cory Schneider.
Take that however you’d like.
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Interesting.
I don’t think it means anything for today, unless we’re shopping Turco and looking at getting Schneider. Which i doubt will happen, because that’s a bit of an overhaul.
But maybe we’re looking at him because we’re going after him this summer. He’s an UFA, and I wonder whether or not Vancouver will resign him.
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I just cant see the Canucks moving him..
They need a solid d-man and Dallas doesn’t really have one to offer.. hell they need one of those themselves.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I want him..
He’s a creepy ginger kid and I’d love to call him that on a regular basis
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Mar 3, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Full deal:
Seidenberg, Matt Bartowski to Boston for Craig Weller, Byron Bitz and a 2nd round pick going to Florida.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
ANA/CAR trade
Aarom Ward to Ducks for Justin Pogge and a 4th rounder.
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Chelios is a zombie
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Mar 3, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
5 dman moves already today
dallas needs to get in on some of this defenseman action
Lukowich is on waivers
I’d love to see the Stars pick him up. They could really use a guy like him.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Mar 3, 2010 10:56 AM CST reply actions
Re-entry waivers?
A team could be waiting for that… But then I don’t see Dallas bringing him back in. GM Joe is making these moves with – as it sounded like with the Ott deal – an eye to building into the future.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Lukowich on waivers
Luko’s on waivers to make cap room for Canucks, or so goes the rumor. They would like to reacquire him when the dust settles
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Ryan Jones claimed off waivers by Edmonton
I’m as shocked as anyone.
Who knew the Oilers was capable of a good move??
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Scott Walker traded from Canes to Caps.
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Settle down now...
I’m working two blogs, twitter and my e-mail while having Pierre McGuire on my TV every few minutes,
I can only handle so much. ;)
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Now we're seeing some action...
Possible moves?
Mueller+ for Wolski
Canucks acquire Yan Stastny
??
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Heh.
TSN just announced that Scott Walker was traded from Carolina to Washington for a seventh round pick. No word on a three-team trade in which Walker’s fist is sent to Aaron Ward’s face.
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Now I am hoping for a Stanley Cup final between Ducks and Caps..
Ward / Walker turns out to be a major storyline.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Deal is official
Porter/Muller for Wolski
Huge deal for Phoenix.
What is Colorado doing??
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Huge signing today as well!!
Saskatchewan Roughriders have signed offensive lineman Dan Goodspeed… This is really a great…
Oh wait.. NHL talk… right…
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TSN's Gord Miller via TSN's Darren Dregger on Twitter:
Detroit sends Kris Newbury to the NYR for Jordan Owens.
- yawn *
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who?
are they just making up names at this point?
How in the F
Do the coyotes go from an aimless, destitute franchise without an owner, sure to be distracted and sucking…. To this Dave Tippett coached power house who’s the trade deadline winner?
And the Kings are good… And the Sharks…
The Stars problems are becoming so much more than their owner. They play in the best division in hockey and it’s getting better.
A lot of it starts with ownership
An extra 10 mil would help, but they would still be a fledgling middle of the pack team out West with an extra 10 mil. They lack passion most nights and the D has too many sieves on it to be patchworked with 10 mil.
This roster = fail.
I'll finally know how Blue Jays fans feel?
So many good teams ahead, and while we have a city that screams big market and we’ve had past championship glory, we now are in a division that we’ll never have a hope of seeing our team win.
Wonderful!
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
im afraid, really afraid
that we may be entering a Dallas Stars Dark Ages. i mean 2 years w/o playoffs is already pretty damn catastrophic.
COL has seemed to do the quickest turnaround. LAK, PHX, CHI had been pretty inconsequential for a long time.
we can throw blame all around, as these things are indeed cyclical. but i do blame Hicks by and large.
by ludwig's mullet on Mar 3, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
It isn't that bad
Phoenix won’t stay high for very long, and the Sharks window isn’t very big.
Anaheim and LA will be around for a while, but the Stars have some young talent too. Don’t jump off the ledge yet.
I will agree about the Sharks...
That window is closing… And if they happen to fail to make the final this year? They could just decide to blow it up because it’s clearly not working and hasn’t ever.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
The thing with SJ...
I can’t imagine them blowing it up because of that. Marleau is a FA and theres no way they can resign him and Nabokov with Thornton/Boyle/Heatley. A shoe has to drop somewhere.
Chill Out
Why all the gloom and doom…a bad game last night after a 2 week break? Big deal…still in the hunt.
by 5PointPuckism on Mar 3, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
They're not going to pass
Detroit and Nashville, both of whom are getting healthy and improving their teams. Finishing ninth in the west is not a good thing. Why are people blindly believing that all of a sudden this team after a year of being more bad than good will suddenly start to play well?
This team was playing
high level hockey before the break. Give them a game or two to get back the rhythm. I love the manic depressive attitudes of the modern fan. So reactionary to every little adverse event.
They played like crap last night against one of the best team in the NHL…but they are certainly capable of squeeking into the playoffs.
I submit you are “blindly” concluding the season is over. Too soon for that. And maybe the best thing for this team was to do NOTHING at the deadline. If the deal isn’t there…it isn’t there. We picked up potentially a top 10 goalie don’t forget. I assume he will get some ice time soon.
Turco SUCKED last night. He was all over the place….typical
by 5PointPuckism on Mar 3, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
3 games
does not a serious trend make. Its a swing just like losing three in a row. They’re mediocre. Why is everyone having such a hard time admitting that?
they went 7-3-1 in the 11 games before the break
that’s a good trend
"They’ve taken the Illini to the woodshed."
-Steve Lavin on Mizzou v. Illinois
And before that
they were 4-5, and before that they were 4-5.
its a swing and one good trend following two bad ones does not a good team make. Besides beating up bad teams doesn’t prove anything. How many points do you realistically expect out of the roadtrip next week to Washington, Pittsburgh and Buffalo?
your first comment was
“Why are people blindly believing that all of a sudden this team after a year of being more bad than good will suddenly start to play well?”
My response is that they did start playing well for a long stretch, including games on the road! Who says that can’t continue?
BTW, im hoping for 3 or 4 points on this tough road trip. We don’t have to win every game to be competitive and this is probably our toughest stretch left in the season.
"They’ve taken the Illini to the woodshed."
-Steve Lavin on Mizzou v. Illinois
If they get two
it will be a miracle. They’re not that good and playing Lehtonen on the road after he’s only played a few games in the minors all season against those teams is a disaster waiting to happen.
There are 20 games left
they are not good enough to go on a huge run to pass the teams in front of them.
LOL....They dont NEED a HUGE run....Nashville and Detroit will not run off and leave them
They just need to keep playing like they did before the break. And they have the talent to do that. Especially if they sit Turco…he’s a mess. I was watching his positioning last night and he was so erratic.
by 5PointPuckism on Mar 3, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely the defense
was god awful. I want all of them except Grossman and Fistric gone. The fact that I want Turco gone too doesn’t change that.
Hey Now
Skratstins sucked last night, but don’t throw him under the bus. He’s been one of the bright spots on our blueline.
Same with Robi.
Really we just need a big, athletic, mobile defenseman in the 1-2 spot, and better options in the 6th spot, with Fortunus taking 6-7 spot and I think we’ll be solid.
Mainly, get Niskanen and Daley off the ice and that’ll be a huge boost to our D.
Skrastins
is a guy. Just like a lot of guys in this league. I’d rather trade him for a young NHL ready kid and hope he develops than watch Skrastins for another year and know he won’t improve.
Fortunus
has been awful. He’s not that good and I don’t think he’s got any upside. Outside of Larsen there isn’t anyone of quality as far as Stars defense prospects go.
I would be fine with most of our D ...
if they could all just move down one … preferably 2 slots
Daley
isn’t going to be any more than what he is. Which is below average. Skrastins isn’t great. Niskanen really needs a new team. And Robidas isn’t nearly as good as many want to believe. The whole group needs to be reshuffled.
Robi
It’s not that we believe that Robi’s skill set is off the charts. It’s the the guy throws everything he has out on the ice every night. He’s the definition of heart, he just needs someone above him in the 1 and/or 2 spot to make him better.
At Daley's age,
I would be willing to give him another year or so to see if he has some upside in this system … like I said, as a 3rd pair guy though.
I almost said "ignoring salary"
when I wrote that!
No
Take a player who’s in the AHL but hasn’t played much in the NHL. Someone who for whatever reason can’t get an NHL job with their current team. Lots of good defensemen, solid 4-6 guys could be found and would improve this defense at a pretty cheap cost.
I don’t think it’s that easy to find a good, solid 4-6 guy, at least not without paying a price. People are either going to charge you for a dependable player, or you’re going to have to gamble on someone else’s refuse.
Teams aren’t just going to throw out solid 4-6 guys for nothing.
I promise you
if Dallas offered Skrastins to NJ for a guy like Tyler Eckhart that would improve this team.
i wonder if the Stars overvalue Ribeiro
nothing really makes me say this other than he’s been the leading scorer for the Stars the last 3 seasons and it seems they try to market around him at times. but for some reason i feel like they overvalue him. obviously he’s incredibly skilled but we dont always see that and certainly not this season. outside of this Marty-esque show before the Oly break.
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Cory Schneider to Phoenix.
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Cory or Mathieu??
Twitter doesn’t seem to know…
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Nevermind.
I’m dumb.
Mathieu Schneider to Phoenix.
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by Brandon Worley on Mar 3, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'm assuming Mathieu...
Why would the Coyotes need and spend assets on getting Cory when they have Bryz?
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
A move for the SA Rampage.
Maybe San Antonio felt bad for letting go of Michael Finley..
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
per TSN.
Damnit!
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
How many more times do the Stars play the Kings?
I hated seeing them play them as it is.. now with Halpern who is much more fitting for western conference play? Gah!
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
i have no real basis for it
but i always liked jeff halpern
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Making a Move
I never advocate making a move for making a move’s sake, but how can’t Joe not make a move? If keeping Turco was a sign that they weren’t throwing in a towel, isn’t not getting some D help throwing in the towel?
Keeping Turco
is a sign that no one wants him. It’s not lack of desire to trade him its lack of teams who want him.
Lets not read too much into it...
Maybe the offers aren’t that great…
And keep in mind if the Stars trade Turco and get nothing for him, that sends a sign to the fans that the white flag is being waved… And based on last night’s attendance, I don’t think you want to tell fans that the season is virtually over.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
how can anyone who sat there
during that godawful game say otherwise? not waiving the white flag because of fear of blacklash got us into this mess in the first place.
+1
The Stars have always been too careful about pissing people off. Who cares? No one goes to the games anymore anyways.
The last pick in the draft is a good enough return for Turco at this point. He won’t be here next year.
I wish they would
I dont think they can with a potential sale out there. It would torpedo some of the value.
How can it reduce value
is there really value in missing the playoffs two years in a row with the same freaking roster and expecting different results next year?
If you have a base of proven talent
+ a decent chunk of change under the salary cap then conceivably a few tweaks and you have a playoff team.
If you ship off Morrow Richards Ribeiro Daley Robidas Turco etc you have a sinking ship with no hope of playoff revenue.
I think the hope of playoff revenue for a new owner would be a big draw.
The base of talent of this team though
isn’t those guys, its Neal, Eriksson, Benn, Fistric, Grossman, and one of Ribs or Richards.
selling off some assets to improve your defense should add to that talent base not subtract and a sale could take a year or so. So let’s waste another year treading water for what?
These two and Turco, were the three I was hoping to see shipped. All three can be impact players, but aren’t consistent in Dallas. I think they could all be a substantial part of a playoff push for three different teams, and are significant enough players to get some pretty nice returns for the future.
They shouldn't be.
Morrow is the 4th best winger on this club. As such he’s the first guy who should be shipped out to improve the defense.
Robidas is a 4th defensemen. Building around him means the defense won’t ever be above average unless a pick like Larsen becomes great.
Robidas a 4th defensemen?
are you kidding me? Have you seen him play this year? He has been rock solid….
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His points trend
has gone done since Nov. He’s okay. He’s not great and I could name fifty guys in this league who are significantly better. He puts himself out of position to get hits. He doesn’t have a great shot. He’s serviceable on the power play but hardly a difference maker. He tries. Don’t get me wrong he’s got heart but at 32 he’s on the wrong side of his prime to carry this team the next four years.
Robidas isn't a 4th
and even if you consider Morrow the 4th best winger on the team he’s still a top 6 forward.
Who exactly is better? Eriksson/Neal and…..
Benn
Benn has far more talent than Morrow. The point being not that getting rid of Morrow is an improvement to the top six but that you have to do something about the defense and moving him is the best solution.
He might have more talent for the future
but he isn’t a better player right now. I think you have to consider anything to improve the defense, but there is no way Benn is currently higher on the depth chart than Morrow.
If he is then the Stars are rebuilding without actually rebuilding which would prompt me to jump off a cliff.
The point being
I expect Benn to improve next year. Does anyone expect that of Morrow? People keep hoping the real Morrow will show up this year but what if post surgery he just isn’t the guy he was. What if he’s hit his high point as a player and the trend is downward. Moving the oldest player when his value is highest makes sense. Especially when you realize its the best way to improve a horrible defense.
I agree with that idea completely
However Brad Richards should be moved before Morrow since he’s going to walk after next season regardless.
Richards may re-sign
There are options with him including moving him next deadline if necessary. Morrow might have added value at the deadline as opposed to at the draft.
There is no way Richards resigns
if you trade Morrow. I doubt he does anyway. He isn’t giving the prime of his career away to a sinking ship.
That's
why I hate the idea of trading Ribeiro like many have heard rumors about. I don’t blame Richards but again this is just a disaster all the way around.
The problem there is...
that Richards and Ribeiro aren’t equal. I don’t think its an either/or situation.
What happens if you trade Ribeiro
and Richards walks after next season. Who plays center? Ribs doesn’t have the leverage but at least he’s signed and he’s showed up lately.
That's definitely a problem
All I said was that Ribeiro/Richards aren’t interchangeable. Richards is significantly better.
You would definitely be in trouble if you met that situation.
Either way
If the team is still heading south after 2011, good riddance to his $8M+ a year contract. If the team is improving after the purge of Modano, Lehtinen and Morrow, then why wouldn’t he resign?
Heres the problem
Modano and Lehtinen aren’t why the team sucks. Their departue isn’t improving anything.
So then you remove Morrow and don’t replace him. You have 1 season (a development year) to improve enough to keep Richards? I can’t see it.
Huh?
Trade for Morrow will net something… I don’t know what, but hopefully something along the lines of an inexpensive dman (with upside) and mid-pick.
Mo’ and Lehts are still decent players… but not for the kind of money they are receiving. Morrow + Lehtinen+Modano = $10M this year. That alone gives spending space for 1-2 big(ish) signings, or 3-4 smaller depth signings. Something that the Stars will desperately need within the next year.
There's a general rule somewhere...
about not trading within your own division. But if that trade can be made, I don’t see how we couldn’t be the clear winners from it in the long run.
Forgot to consider the Morrow return
That alone won’t replace Morrow’s value + increase the team talent enough to make them a good enough team to intice Richards to stay though.
What does one have to do with the other?
Keeping or trading Richards doesn’t have anything to do with moving Morrow for defense. Just as holding onto him to somehow keep Richards is dumb.
I never advocated either position
I think if you start dismantling the roster in favor of younger players I don’t think Richards will stay. Pick a route and go for it. Rebuild or try to add to this core. Don’t tread water.
I’m completely in favor of blowing the whole thing up.
Are you kidding me?
What team have you been watching?? Benn has been clearly more productive than Morrow this season..hands down
by 5PointPuckism on Mar 3, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
He's also a 20 year old rookie that makes
many defensive mistakes. Morrow hasn’t been great this year, but he isn’t below Benn on the depth chart.
He's been
playing center, which he’s never done in his life. And I know knocking Morrow and Ott is a sin for some but neither is all that great defensively. That line as a whole isn’t that great. Benn would be much better served at wing rather than center.
I'm not advocating it either
I just think thats why they won’t do anything
I doubt the sale takes a year either. I heard it could happen fairly quickly.
The Rangers sale
has dragged out. Hicks wants every dime and I’m not expecting something before the start of next season.
because Hicks kept trying to maintain control
and had many more creditors to please. That isn’t the case this time.
dont think so
it will still be tied up in the banks through May. and that date was given in Jan.
by ludwig's mullet on Mar 3, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Would like to see Nathan Horton here in Dallas
Not too sure what I would give up.
I like Horton's game
but how do you add him and address the defense? I dont think they have the budget for it.
For a Wild 2nd rounder.
Good move for the Caps depth wise.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I really like Purcell...
So that is a bit of a steep price for LA in the future, but for this season, Halpern is a big upgrade.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
At the very least, we aren't Flyers fans..
They need goaltending in the worst way.. they have to be getting very nervous at this point.
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McElhinney for Toskala
Yikes… Did the Flames not see how bad the Leafs were this season? Now they have four guys from that team in their lineup!
That is making a push for the playoffs??
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So for those that want to see a move from Dallas...
It could be worse.. You could be a Calgary fan.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Raffi Torres to Buffalo
Per people on Twitter…
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This ends at 3pm est right?
so, 25 more minutes? Or am I wrong?
24 minutes...
will the stars do… anything?
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25 minutes
25 minutes for Joe to turn his first year as GM from a disaster to just terrible.
Give me a break.....you have no credibility when you say stuff like that
by 5PointPuckism on Mar 3, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
Name one good move he’s made? You can’t. The one huge hole heading into the offseason? Defense, no help. Need a goalie for the future so he trades for an injury prone goalie who will cost at least $3m next season who they don’t know if he can play right now. Won’t trade Turco to keep from waiving the white flag but doesn’t get any defense help so they are waiving the white flag. Simply, this has been a wasted season for the Stars.
This...
has been the trial season for Joe. He still has all of the HullJack pieces in place from last year, and was trying to see if he could make it work within his (and Crawford’s) new season. Expect bigger changes to be made next year.
You don’t dismantle a one year removed Western Conference finals team . Last year, injuries were the scapegoat. This year, there’s nothing else to blame.
You absolutely
tear it apart if it isn’t working. Injuries and coaching were the excuses last year. What are the excuses this year? They aren’t as good as they were in 2008 and keep on keeping on and hoping for better results is ridiculous.
The coaching is even worse
The system doesn’t fit the talent, and the talent isn’t that great. They need to do something significant in the near future otherwise they’ll become the Predators.
Like I said.
I expect bigger changes to be made next year. If they continue to stagnate in the middle of the pack, miss the playoffs and be the same unenergetic bunch seen on the ice last nice night, I see a very, very different support group surrounding Neal/Benn/Eriksson next year.
There is no question in my mind
that Hicks isn’t allowing a rebuild when he’s trying to sell the team.
Honestly
This season wouldn’t have bothered me nearly as much if we had just held on to Tip.
Getting rid of him in lieu of Crawford told the fans “Hey, time for a new regime since it clearly didn’t work last year. Injuries or no.”
Keeping Tip would have said, “Hey guys, last year sucked, but we’ll give it one last go to see if it really WAS the injuries.”
Given that Crawford was hired, you’re probably right in thinking that they should have nuked the roster along with the Tippett firing.
Except
Except the defense was an obvious problem that had to get fixed and wasn’t. Goaltending was an issue that, at a minimum, and inadequately addressed. Signing Ott to a long term extension looks foolish now. Just a wasted year and Joe’s first year as GM has been a disaster. No two ways about it.
Stop posting dude...you are embarassing
How can you say goaltending was inadequately addressed? Keri hasn’t even had a chance to play yet! He’ll get his chance soon…and Ott signing…a DISASTER?? You’re on crack
by 5PointPuckism on Mar 3, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Ott is not
a 3 million dollar player and paying him means you’re not trading him to improve the rest of your team. Keeping this team as it is and expecting different results is foolish and Joe is either blind or completely handcuffed by Hicks.
No
You need to take off the rose colored glasses. Lehtonen has yet to play an NHL game this season and you are committed to him as your starter for next season at $3m+ dollars. That is inadequately addressing a situation.
Ott was a bad move because they can’t afford him and to go into the free agent market and sign a defensement. What they should have done is trade him for assets and use the money to upgradethe d corp in the offseason. As we stand now, the 10-11 Stars will be substantially the same as the 09-10 Stars without upgrading positions.
Wait
Lehtonen is not as bad as a move as you might think, considering his upside. Turco gone next year frees up another $6M. $3M for a Lehtonen contract leaves $3M for an extra dman. Climie and Krahn are decent enough prospects and will be suitable backups (more appropriately third-goalies) coming into 2011.
If you’re looking for a solid goalie right out of the gates, then… I don’t know what to tell you. There were not many goalies available last year that would have been proven upgrades to Turco last year, and just as few this upcoming offseason. And seriously… you’d want to have Nabokov in goal for the Stars for $8M a year?
Ott was a moral victory for the team, which you can agree or disagree with, but when it comes down to it, I think more of a business decision than a hockey decision.
2.7 million
some of which is going to Neal, Robidas, Eriksson and Grossman. There isn’t a huge savings from this because they’ve got to spend it on players already on the roster rather than paying for something outside the organization.
I always figured
The money from cutting Lehtinen, Modano and Brunnstrom would be enough to pay for the raises. $8.2M right there.
-2.6M for Loui
-1.8M for Robi
Leaves… 4.2M for Neal and Grossman… Yeah… might have to pull some of that out of the LehtonenforTurco bag.
Well to be fair
Brunnstrom earns about 875k and will earn 962k or so if he’s kept. Hardly a huge savings, especially since even if you trade him you’ll probably pay right around that for whoever takes his spot on the roster.
We see it in different terms,
Though I’m sure the Lehtonen trade did not work out exactly like they hoped since they couldn’t move Turco, they still spent only $600k to have a potentially great goalie basically locked up. He will get substantial playing time and analysis this spring. If he bombs they can move on and look for answers this summer. But in a worst case they do have a goalie path locked up … doesn’t mean they won’t be on the lookout for better solutions. .
Ott is fast, gritty , and will crash in on the fore check … not to mention a fan fav. Overpaid? maybe, again time will tell. But I don’t see that as meaning no D upgrade, I am confident we will see some other forwards moved this summer for D.
having great forwards
but a lousy defense means this team misses the playoffs again. How can anyone justify paying a guy who should be on the 3rd line 2.95 million with a NTC for year when the defense is one of the worst in the league? Its a bad deal for a team on a budget because they’re not using that money to shore up their weaknesses. How can it be classified differently?
He cannot be traded until
like July 1st next year. Or some similar date. Its at least full NTC protection through the entire next season.
The whole giving Ott that contract
doesn’t make any sense to me. Why should the fact that Robidas got an NTC from Joe and Ott got one to surprise anyone. They’re both bad moves that will hold this franchise back at least another year.
Well I wouldn't be surprised
if we move some forwards for D and by next season that Ott gets a shot as a top 6 guy. I’m just saying Joe deserves the chance to make this team the way he wants before we start throwing bricks.
How much time does it take though?
He’s had 62 games to see this team? Why does the last 20 make that much of a difference?
I'm willing to give at least a year.
He can’t just buy free agents with no budget. He’s trying to change the culture, and wanted a year to see how the current guys responded. Now this summer he needs to make the moves to implement his vision. I’m willing to give him through the summer and see where we are. Frankly, in lots of ways that even sounds unreasonable … but thats life.
if they don't sell some guys at the draft
I’m going to be praying that the new owner fires everyone except Les Jackson.
jerking systems and mgmt
back and forth in under a year is what losing franchises do. Not saying I agree with those original changes, but that decision is made. So I feel we need to give the new guys reasonable time.
Really
How do you judge a GM in less than 1 year? Huh? Do you know what’s involved in that job? Obviously not. The Keri L. deal was a good risk. Only time will tell.. But the upside is HUGE. So you can’t judge that trade yet.
You have to give a GM at least 3 years to make HIS team before you start dumping all over him…unreal
by 5PointPuckism on Mar 3, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
I haven't bagged on
Lehtonen. I can bag on Burke and he hasn’t been in Toronto that much longer. You don’t get a pass just because a lot of time hasn’t passed. This deadline was a time to improve and he didn’t do that. That falls on Joe.
I don't see it that way...
He has no money to work with! Last summer he brought in Woywitka and Skrastins because the money wasn’t there to solve our holes … the Lehtonen move, again no money so he is trying to parlay a medium bet into a big win, time will tell. Turco, it’s clear he wanted to move him … but to get a 3rd round or worse pick? he was better off to keep him and see if we can make the playoffs and bring Lehtonen along slowly. He has gotten contracts signed on all our valuable RFA’s so far. Yes it has been a wasted season … thanks to broke Hicks.
Regardless
Regardless of Hicks’ money situation, this all falls on Joe because he had assets to improve the team but he didn’t. Since money is an issue they aren’t going to be able to sign anyone in the offseason because players like Neal and Grossman need raises. Thusly, we will be going into next season with Lehtonen as the goalie and then an Auld type as our back up (that has fail written all over it) and no appreciable upgrade on defense. So next season will look like this season. Joe’s trades and signings have been a failure.
No credibilty man...you and hull fan...your comments are laughable
by 5PointPuckism on Mar 3, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
good lord
give lehtonen a chance to suit up as a star before you dismiss him as a failure
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My bigger point...
My bigger point is how any competent GM can trade for Lethonen to be the starter next seson, which is what he is, without having him play a game this season, after being injury prone, oh yeah, and you’ve got to pay him $3m on cash strapped team.
i dont know
i always believe as a fan that we should let management do their jobs and evaluate them after some things have played out. To just throw GM Joe under the bus for all his so called failures before his first year is even done is just foolish to me.
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You can't call him a failure yet
but this thing isn’t good.
His two biggest moves so far are firing Tippett and replacing him with Crawford. I think we can come close to calling that a failure.
Kari Lehtonen hasn’t played yet, but he’d be #2. It seems like they overpaid to make that happen.
He doesn’t have much of a positive track record going yet.
that said
We said the same things about Josh Daniels after his first few moves with the Rangers.
Now look at how we view him.
It takes time and patience for a rookie gm to learn the business, and for everything to fall into place.
And the rangers were in worse shape when Daniels took over than the Stars were when Joe took over. Give it time.
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Jon Daniels is fine now
but he had no business being hired when he was. That isn’t a very encouraging comparison.
Well think of it this way:
Jon Daniels had NO baseball experience whatsoever. Joe has as much as you can possibly have.
That’s where I look at it and feel better about the future. Joe might make some mistakes, but overall I trust that he knows what he’s doing.
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His only trade so far is trading
our #1 prospect for a goalie that hasn’t played in a year. I’m not anti-Joe, but I’m not exactly convinced.
like i said earlier
I think the organization knows more about the potential of their prospects than we do. Vishnevsky wasn’t looked at as highly upon in the organization as he was by us (I think for good reason too.)
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Thats fair
However its still an overpayment for a guy basically out of hockey for a year and will cost 3 mil.
its a risk
we’ll see how it works out….
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As a gamble
I don’t mind Lehtonen. At least he tried to improve his team. Its not moving anyone on this roster to improve the defense that bothers me.
I've been wondering why Atlanta gave him that kind of contract with his history
and now word is that he will not be starting until Saturday, makes me wonder if he’s not really ready yet. Otherwise why wasn’t Marty pulled last night(even if just for a change of momentum, rather than because he was playing God-awful) or why not start Lehtonen Thursday?
His public comments (I think it was an interview on ESPNDallas.com)
seem to indicate he thinks the defense we have is just fine, they just need some more time to grow into their roles.
Actually, I think I saw it on ESPNDallas.com with Richard Durrett,
although he may have said the same to Heika as well
No problem
I’m just having a hard time believing a smart hockey guy would say something so incredibly dumb.
exactly what i base my opinions on
daniels looked like a dunce with his first few moves. Now the Rangers have one of the best young teams in the MLB.
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Well Joe
may be a smart guy and has a good hockey background. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll be a good GM.
im not saying he is a good one
im just saying give him more than 2 moves to prove he is good or bad.
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The problem is
The problem is that he isn’t doing his job. You have to look at the whole picture. This team is working on a $45m budget, so next season you are committing yourself to Lehtonen as the starting goalie, playing him $3m+ and he hasn’t played this season. You are paying Ott ~$2m and he isn’t an offensive force or that good defensively, he just makes people mad. He’s a luxury on a team like the Stars where there are budget issues. Joe will not have the financial flexibility to sign a top 4 d-man during the summer. The money simply isn’t there. So, to recap, you’ve committed yourself to Lehtonen who costs a lot of money and has yet to pay and you don’t have any cap space to sign a top 4 d-man. Great job Joe.
Lehtonen is an RFA though
If he doesn’t work out they could just let him walk.
Though that trade would look significantly worse.
I hope he gets different pads first
those almost all green pads look horrible with the Stars current jerseys, I’m sure he’s getting some made but still…
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They will get Neal and Grossman done
but again without money they can’t upgrade the D … except by moving a forward(s), and I expect something to happen there before next season. In his first year with a major change in the system I don’t fault Joe for seeing which players respond. I do expect that he now knows and will make moves before next season. Come on, with this kind of major change and NO MONEY available to make quick changes you have to give him at least a year! … actually even that seems unreasonable.
Is it just me, or does this seem like a quieter deadline than previous years?
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True. Didn't think about that.
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Very true...
And.. THERE’S STILL TIME!!
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Stepniak on his way out...somewhere. From Darren Dreger via Twitter.
I wouldn’t mind seeing him in Dallas, but doubt that’s the move.
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Heavilly rumored over the last half hour...
Brandon Bibb to “The Other Six Seconds” blog for a six pack of beers, some hotdogs and a bowl of pretzels…
My sources can’t confirm this deal, but if it happens, by far it’s the biggest of the day!
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You can rule out a Souray trade, he's in the hospital with a hand infection and it likely out for the year, per TSN
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Clearly he didn't go to the same hospital I went to...
I didn’t get any infections after my surgery.
Either that or you can say am I more sturdy and not as fragile as Souray. Scary thought!
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Deadline is passed..
Which means there will be about 5 to 10 more trades announced through the afternoon.
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Lee Stepniak traded to Nobody In Particular
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Well... That was all....fun...
?
There sure is a lot of “Player X is NOT being traded” on twitter.
Breaking News: Nothing is Happening
Modin to the Kings...but the deal may not have been filed in time.
FAIL.
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this is a good sign i think
I beleive the stars are a couple of pieces away from being a dangerous team. Tarding away one of our top six forwarsd is not an option, we need D, I think we still might have a move left today, if not,,we get someone in the summer… NO NEED FOR A FIRE SALE,,,trading Morrow?? Really? really!?
Well crap.
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They did with Wolski. Big upgrade over Mueller.
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A trade for trade's sake is stupis...glad no moves were made.
It means the right player was not available at a fair price
Really though
I don’t see any one given move that would have turned this team around. Regardless of what trades are made, this team will remain on the cusp of the playoffs. Whether they make it in or not, will depend on any number of variables. The only thing that could have made any difference on their playoff aspirations would have been to nuke the entire thing. Only that would have meant that there would be no chance at the playoffs this year.
Trades made today would have done nothing but reshuffle the deck a bit. As a fan, I can do nothing but believe that GM Joe was trying his hardest to see if there were trades available that would make the team undeniably better in the future. If no such trades were available, then to stand pat, rather than a fire-sale was the correct course of action.
couldn't have said it better myself
We have a good group of guys and just one or two pieces missing to complete this team. To rebuild this team now means a rough three to four years
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Whoops not done yet...
Ryan Whitney to the Oilers for Lubomir Vishnovsky
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How does Anaheim
turn Kunitz into Vishnovsky? That’s terrible for the future of Dallas in this division.
Yup.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 3, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
doing nothing
i think doing nothing is really a sign to me that the white flag is up…..this squad needs to retune to really be a contender, and sometimes that means parting with some good players for sake of the future. There were most likely not a lot of offers out there, but this scares me for the summer that nothing will be changed…….
THERE IS NO ONE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW!
Let’s face it, there is NO ONE AVAILABLE, at a resonable cost, that is going to get us to the Stanley Cup Finals. So, why trade away offensive talent to get a so-so defenseman?
Hang with what you have and do the best you can with it.
Then, this summer, trim some players that aren’t producing offensively or defensively (see Morrow, Brunnstrom, Niskanen and Daley) and play the free agent field.
Morrow has given up on this team so I’ve given up on him. Trade him for a good defenseman or a good right-handed winger.
The Brunnstrom experiment should officially be declared a bust. Just get rid of him!
Same with Niskanen. He started out OK but has shown no improvement in the last two seasons. Dump him.
Daley? I keep hoping he’ll wake up and contribute, but it ain’t happening. Woywitka is far better than Daley. Get what you can for Daley.
This deadline isn't about improving the
final 20 games. Its about improving the team for next year. Without money trades have to be made to improve the defense. Unless Joe is serious with this nonsense about how the defense is fine, it just needs time. You trade players today because some of them have more value at the deadline than at draft day. And you have to trade offense to improve the defense because that’s all you’ve got.
Karis Skrastins
is hardly my favorite player but I promise a Stanley Cup winning veteran defenseman had value today. He was better than at least five of the guys moved today. He would have gotten a 2nd or prospect back. The fact that they didn’t move him says more about Niewendyk than it does with Skrastins value.
Morrow
Whjat is everuones deal with Morrow?? He just came off of a season ending surgery last year. Any team would want this guy, I have read alot of negative things about the Stars today from “fans”. I dont think alot of you realize how good we have it and the good group of guys we have with just some minor tweaking needed
The deal is
he’s 32. He’s come off his second season ending major injury and that his best days may well be behind him. Why would anyone think he’ll come back all the way with no problems and be his regular self automatically? He’s got serious issues and you trade him because honestly he’s not as talented as Eriksson, Neal or Benn and moving a winger to fix the defense makes sense.
Doesn’t leadership matter? Morrow is one of the best leaders in the league, which was evident during the olympics.
I'm going to step on a sacred cow here.
If his leadership is all that then why hasn’t this team won anything since he’s been here? Why has this locker room been questioned by many? Why hasn’t he played better and led them on the ice this year?
If Morrow is so great why do they need Ott’s energy and leadership too? Leadership matters when your team is good and you need someone to push them to be great. Since this team is not good leadership isn’t and hasn’t taken them anywhere. 2007-2008 was the outlier not the trend. That’s particularly important when discussing a guy returning from major knee surgery who’s effort for the team paying him pales in consideration to his Olympic effort. He can be the greatest national player ever but that can’t matter to the Dallas Stars. And again I’m going to ask if Morrow’s best days are behind him why wouldn’t you trade him. Can anyone say they foresee a return to that fantastic season two years ago? If not then moving him makes the most sense.
Skoula
New Jersey was a Worldwide Trending Topic on Twitter today http://bit.ly/bfjwXC I’m just glad it was about Skoula and nothing to do with Snooki.
That Vish Trade
Was the dagger to me today. I wanted to see Ribs and Daley moved for Vish with picks and prospects to fill it out. Not only did that not happen, but he went to the only divisional rival behind us. Sure Vish makes 6mil this year, but he’s only 5 next, and 3 the year after. That is exactly the kind of defenseman and contract the Stars needed to grab.
Ugh….
At least Joe didn’t think picking up 25% of the worst Eastern conference team was a good idea.
That Vish trade
is going to haunt the stars for the next three years. He’s by far much better than anyone on our blueline. Whitney is hardly a great price for him. Heck when you look at it they traded Chris freaking Kunitz for him. That bothers me.
Ribs would have been too much but man we could have done something better than that.
I forgot to mention
My dream trade included their 1st round pick, haha.
Could you image? “Well hello there Mr. Seguin. Let me introduce you to Jamie Benn. He’ll be your LWer. Oh, and here’s Steve Ott. He’ll be on your right side and if anyone gives you any trouble, just let him know.”
Why do I torment myself with ridiculous fantasies?
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