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Steve Ott, Dallas Agree to 4 Year Extension

I'll admit I was pretty curious to see what it looks like from the other side. I imagined him racing in after a puck was moved, just a fraction of a second late; A fraction of a second small enough that we'd be mad, and their fans wouldn't be. I imagined that Steve Ott would do this to Brenden Morrow or Brad Richards or whoever it would be, and I was curious to see, as our player got up from a raucous hit, how we would all feel about it on the other side of the fence. "It's just Ott being Ott" we'd say? Or "<Insert expletive here>!!!"?

I was curious. But not that curious, and evidently neither was Joe Nieuwendyk. Now Stars fans can exhale and rejoice because the seemingly improbable Steve Ott extension appears done. Exact details are not known, but the deal is believed to be worth about $2.95 million a season [TSN]

It seemed improbable for many reasons. We enumerated most of them here, but some bear repeating: How can they afford this? We crunched the numbers and we checked them twice. The Stars still need to sign James Neal and Nick Grossman. Kari Lehtonen and Tom Wandell. A backup netminder, and numerous other pieces. They now have 13 players under contract for next season at about $36 million dollars or somewhere in the vicinity. Fans have been told for two seasons now to assume a payroll of around $45 million. A well that size is going to dry up before everyone's had their fill to drink at this rate. So what has changed?

Frankly, I don't know, and I'm not so sure if today is the day to care. However it's going to work, Steve Ott will be a Dallas Star for quite some time. It's a bill the Stars fan will be happy to foot, me thinks.

After the jump, comments from Steve Ott, and a few different way to look at this...

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Otter told Mike Heika of the Dallas Morning News: "You have to study all of your options and you have to do what's best for yourself, but I never wanted to leave here. I've always been a part of this team and I want to end my career here. It's very important to me. I know a lot of players are that way, but it's really important for me to give everything to the team. I honestly don't know how I would have felt if I was playing for another team next week and then another next season. I know people do that, but I don't know how I would have felt.''

He's already the most popular guy in the American Airlines Center, and now, because the front office was able to push this deal through, he's able to say all the right things and endear himself to the fan base even more. If you're in the market for a new jersey, might I recommend the home-Ott? It's got a 4 year guarantee on it.

Art Middleton suggested to us earlier this morning that perhaps, and we're speculating now, they saw the value of Ott off the ice. That is to say, they made Tom Hicks see the value. Steve Ott putts butts in the seats, and that could make it as smart of a business decision as it is a hockey decision.

Is 4 years too long?

Is it a good hockey decision? There will always be doubters and contrarians to any decision that is made.

Bob Sturm told us on Defending Big D Live (and I am in NO way pretending to know his opinion on this deal. I bet he's as happy as the rest of us, but I really couldn't say...) that players who play the style of hockey Ott does tend to have a drop off at a certain point because A.) Their bodies can't take it any more, B.) Once they get paid, they play more like the "wine drinker" than the "beer guzzler" or C.) All of the above.

I don't think anyone is questioning Steve's heart and determination. They're just saying that a decline is natural. Professional sports is littered with deals that are a year too long in hindsight. That's just the cost of doing business with free agents. You want them as they are now. They want a secure future on the field/court/ice and for their families.

Whether or not Steve Ott can keep playing like a maniac for 4 seasons more at ~$3 million is something we'll all just have to find out together.

Brett Hulls' Do-Over?

"He makes us hard to play against." "He has certain intangibles we need." "He can pull your team into a game emotionally on a Tuesday night in January." "He plays on the edge."

These are the kinds of things we all heard before about a different 27 year old who was looking for his first big free agent deal two years ago. His name was Sean Avery.

Now before you groan and roll your eyes, you have to see the similarities in the signings, the motivations behind them, the players themselves and what's being said about them. They're undeniable. Said Nieuwendyk to the Morning news today: "I look at this team every day and I try to figure out where we are going and what we need, and I constantly say that I want us to be a team that's hard to play against. That's something that Steve Ott gives us every game. There are intangibles in his game that make it very hard on the other team and make it so they don't want to play us, and I just thought those were intangibles that we needed to keep here."

The difference, of course, is that Sean Avery didn't make the Stars hard to play against. He made the Stars hard to play for. Steve Ott is as loved by his teammates as he is by his fans, and that may not mean as much to some teams, but in Dallas it's important. We've seen how important it is. The shadow of that lesson lurks on this teams bottom line to the tune of $1.9375 million dollars for two seasons more.

This deal will be what they thought that deal should have been. It just takes a higher quality human being.

Let's play some hockey

"They came in with a really good offer last night, and we just felt that we needed to get this done,'' he said. ``To tell you the truth, it's like a giant weight is lifted off my back this morning. This has been really hard, and I'm just glad that it's over and I'm staying here.'' - Steve Ott to the Dallas Morning News.

It's a giant weight off his back and everyone else who cares about this team, but it's not the only weight that's been lifted, at least temporarily: Every single conversation we have about this team gets framed in the "45 million dollar, Tom Hicks has no money" house. Fans have had to run every idea and every hope through that machine first before it can be considered. That restriction feels lifted today, if only for a moment.

Let's get a right handed right winger! No Money. Let's improve the defense! No Money. Let's extend Steve Ott! .....There is money?

Whether or not it's just this one guy or just this one day, I don't know. Did something change in the budget for next year? It seems doubtful. Did Tom Hicks go rummaging around in his couch cushions or sell a few of his gold toilets? Who can know for sure?

Are there more moves coming that make this money more Hicks-palatable? ....?

Just be happy today that Steve Ott, enemy of Western Conference fans everywhere, is with us, and will be for quite a while.

Now let's play some damn hockey tomorrow. 7:30 CST against the Kings.

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Where's This 45 Million Dollar Number Coming From?

I know I’ve heard and read all the reasons why you guys think $45 Mil is the self-imposed cap the Stars are operating under, but I don’t “buy” it. And this signing is more support for my “skepticism”, which is actually opitimisn for the future of this club. Only time will tell I guess.

by 5PointPuckism on Mar 1, 2010 11:34 AM CST reply actions  

It's an educated guess

Based solely on this year’s payroll, which is $45 million.

And that’s before we knew the extent of HSG’s problems with the Rangers and Stars. Now that we know, there’s no reason to suggest it’ll go much higher for next year, unless somebody buys the Stars on a remarkable fast track and can pump money into the budget for next year’s team.

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by Brandon Bibb on Mar 1, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

If anything

Common sense says it would be lower.

But it’s looking like that’s not the case. Of course, we don’t have all the information yet.

by Brad Gardner on Mar 1, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Since when...

is common sense the controlling factor in sports franchises? ;)

by 5PointPuckism on Mar 1, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Since we have been sitting about $45m

for almost a year. Since Joe has said since he was hired that we could be competitive with the current roster ($) even though it was way under the cap and Joe, as well as all of us fans, has identified defense and RH Right wings as necessary upgrades. But not even a peep on the free agent market. Every time the subject of payroll has come up current management has trotted out the mantra that we can be competitive where we are now, even mentioning an unnamed “internal” budget. Then the news about Hicks financial problems, not selling the Rangers for what was wanted, his creditors that have the Stars as collateral insisting he needs to come up with more $, and his announcement of putting the Stars up for sale all indicated the internal budget is somewhere in the mid $40m range.

by 1paniolo on Mar 1, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Mike Heika has directly quotes

Joe Nieuwendyk and Hull and Jackson a thousand times on that number. $45-$46 million dollars is what he always says.

Bob and Dan asked Joe about it on the radio after the Lehtonen trade. They asked him specifically. It’s no secret, and they don’t deny it.

The interesting thing about this Ott signing is that it seems to be outside of that box.

by Brad Gardner on Mar 1, 2010 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

Since when....

do you believe what front office tells the press about financials? ;)

by 5PointPuckism on Mar 1, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Remember....

sometimes front offices float financial numbers to the press to gain leverage with agents. If I’m an agent and I believe the team is sticking to the 45M budget, and my client has confidentially told me he wants to stay in Dallas at all costs, I have to negotiate under those “restrictions”. This benefits the owner. And later, if the owner goes above that number (having intended to do so all along), the player can’t complain. Heck, it would look bad for the player later to complain about ownership spending more than expected….this also works for the public. Keep expectations low, then you always will be perceived as going above and beyond when you spend more than expected.

by 5PointPuckism on Mar 1, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Google this:

“Dallas Morning news” “heika” “$45 million”

Google exactly that and you will see many many examples.

by Brad Gardner on Mar 1, 2010 11:39 AM CST reply actions  

Mike Heika and

Mark Stepneski, Bob and Dan, etc, are the only sources of info we have to go on, so we go with it.

They all have the same info, and all the salary numbers from this year and last year support it.

We’ve had to reason to doubt them, so we make our assumptions based on the information that we have in front of us. Not the information that we wish were true or conspiracy theories we made up.

by Brad Gardner on Mar 1, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I would just be careful making projections on future moves based on what front office feeds to the press.

by 5PointPuckism on Mar 1, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Hicks

Hicks came out and said that the only way a team can make money South of Philly is for them to have about a 45m payroll. He further said that he was sick of losing money on the Stars. The budget is going to be at or around 45m.

by jf55510 on Mar 1, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate to say it...

But as much as I love Ott, I don’t know that it makes long term hockey sense.

1. The league is all over him about late hits and hits to the head. The next time isn’t going to be 3-4 day suspension..

2. If you need a specific guy for the team to play hard and play for each other, you have other issues.

3. Unless he’s going to be a 1st or 2nd line player, that’s a pretty good chunk of change.

Now Ott has proven himself perfectly able to fill the roll of a 1st or 2nd line player. But who do you displace then?

by jabudi on Mar 1, 2010 11:57 AM CST reply actions  

FYI

The Stars just sent out an official release about the signing and confirmed it is for $2.95 million per season.

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by Brandon Bibb on Mar 1, 2010 1:02 PM CST reply actions  

Ugh

I think that someone like Ribs is either getting moved now or in the offseason. I just don’t see how the numbers work if they don’t.

by jf55510 on Mar 1, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Or maybe

Modano, Lehtinen, and Turco will be gone so it will be freeing up some cash. According to Cap Geek it will free up like 11.65 Million in space with those 3 going.

by JCWM2 on Mar 1, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

No

They are already off the books. So, the Stars are already on the hook for like 35m without giving a hefty raise to Neal and some others.

by jf55510 on Mar 1, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed. None of those three are included in the 35mil

So if, for instance, Mo were to decide to come back for another year, that would be additional money on top of the 35 mil the Stars would have to worry about next year.

by TracyJean on Mar 1, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

All sentimentality aside,

I wouldn’t resign Modano even if he did want to come back. He just doesn’t play enough to warrant a contract.

by JCWM2 on Mar 1, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

It's tough with him

He had that burst of 9 points in 10 games, but then nothing in the last 4 before the break.

by Brad Gardner on Mar 1, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I don't know how quickly that all would happen anyway

There hasn’t been a scrap of news about the sale of the Stars since that initial inkling,and that was only a possibility.

They cannot even be said to be officially “for sale” right now.

Though, I certainly hope they are.

by Brad Gardner on Mar 1, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Leaving those 3 out ..

and adding in conservative numbers for our own free agents and some warm bodies we are scrapping $50m for a 21 man roster. So either they have upped their “internal” budget that words AND actions indicate is in the mid $40 range for the last year … or they need to exchange some higher value contracts for lower money.

by 1paniolo on Mar 1, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

Conservative numbers such as

Neal – 4$ million
Grossman – $2 million
Lehtonen -$3 million
Lehtonen’s backup – ~$1million
Wandell – $?? I’m not sure yet, I’d have to look…

by Brad Gardner on Mar 1, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Just got the text. Woot!

Emotionally very pleased. Also a little concerned for what it means, but glad we won’t have to learn how Ott comes across to everyone else. :)

by laurenb on Mar 1, 2010 1:46 PM CST reply actions  

This makes my day.

I prefer to live in the present than the future, so for now I love this move. I love it bunches :)

Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.

by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Mar 1, 2010 2:08 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

This makes my day.

I prefer to live in the present than the future, so for now I love this move. I love it bunches :)

Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.

by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Mar 1, 2010 2:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Now that Ott’s signed, what about a Ribs trade for a D-man and a draft pick? That could add defensive help without hurting the cap.

by 5PointPuckism on Mar 1, 2010 3:31 PM CST reply actions  

I dunno if I want to trade Ribs, after how he's played coming back...

But at this point, you might have to. That’s $5 million off the books (little less depending on contracts you take back for him), and then another $5 million off the books when Turco leaves. That money could go a long way towards signing Nealer, Kari, Wandell and the rest.

Love Ribs, but I agree, we might be better off trading him at this point.

"It would've been a huge momentum boost if we had beaten the St. Mary's School for the Blessed, Blind, Deaf and Dumb."

Hockey nut since the night of 5/2/08. What a night it was.

by Pat Iversen on Mar 1, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

What a great day!

To me, this makes the deadline so much more intriguing. I’m guessing Joe would want to clear up some more money, so it’ll be interesting what moves he’ll make to do so. (Bye Ribs?)

"It would've been a huge momentum boost if we had beaten the St. Mary's School for the Blessed, Blind, Deaf and Dumb."

Hockey nut since the night of 5/2/08. What a night it was.

by Pat Iversen on Mar 1, 2010 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

Way to go GM Joe!!!

Great signing!
Will he be worth it? If any player on this team is worth the risk of a 4 year deal, it is Steve Ott. He has never let us down and I fully believe he will earn every dollar of this new contract.

You want to clear some cap room? Trade Morrow!! He’s proven he’s no Steve Ott. Trust me, you’ll never even notice Morrow is gone! It’s hard enough to prove he’s even been here this year.

Let the guys in the carpeted offices crunch the numbers. Lord knows I’m not smart enough to do that. But I do know Steve Ott had to be re-signed.

God bless you, Otter!

by Cowpokealong on Mar 1, 2010 4:50 PM CST reply actions  

before we talk about trading him, let's give morrow a chance to play for us like he played in the olympics

I say no way morrow gets dealt at the deadline. If he sucks it up the rest of the year, I guess an off-season deal is possible….

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by Mizzou12 on Mar 1, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Whay wait?

If he plays well the rest of the season, it is just more evidence that he has snubbed his team and his captaincy in favor of an unpaid job.

And, he has alredy admitted that point.

by Cowpokealong on Mar 1, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

That's... crazy-talk

Saying a fight with Avery wasn’t worth missing the Olympics (especially given the situations that immediately preceded Morrow’s other injuries) is not dereliction of duty. It’s a fact. Anyone who’s listened to that interview knows what he meant.

Morrow just did something incredible — he got the underfunded, disjointed, bargain-basement defense Dallas Stars linked inextricably with the Gold Medal team. Given 11 years of evidence, it’s backward to argue that Morrow is the problem with the current team. Backward.

by laurenb on Mar 1, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Backward?

Have you watched Morrow play this year? He’s certainly not untouchable in trade talks.

 "underfunded, disjointed, bargain-basement defense Dallas Stars linked inextricably with the Gold Medal team. " – ok – that’s overplaying your hand.

Morrow hasn’t played 50% of what he played in the Olympics…makes you wonder. Frankly, he’s got some value right now, and he needs to get shopped.

by 5PointPuckism on Mar 2, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

"Not untouchable in trade talks"... except for that NTC.

So talk away, because that’s all it is until 2013. He’s not going to waive and they’re not going to ask him unless something sloppysecondesque happens.

Not overplayed: This season, the Stars engine wouldn’t turn for anyone or anything at times. You’ve seen it. I’ve seen it. My hard drives have seen all of it and hate me.

I’m in this Stars fan thing for the long haul, but Morrow was his old self last week because he was on a highly functional team again. He did stuff right, other people did stuff right, engines ran. It’s simple, it makes sense. “Snubbing” doesn’t, given everything else he’s done in Dallas.

Every time an Olympic announcer or journalist said “Dallas Stars Captain Brenden Morrow,” he bought time for the good name of the franchise against the past 1.XX seasons — and he absolutely must back that up with a fight to make the top 8 now that the season’s back on.

I’ve watched: He’s been very good for parts of the season, entirely decent for some of the season (esp. with Benn — Morrow’s work has helped Benn’s talent shine more than once), and, at worst, no worse than everyone else mired in the blerg vibe this season. And everyone else in question was able to walk at this time last year.

Concessions: Morrow’s stated leadership style (no speeches, no talking-tos, just example) probably isn’t the best fit for a developing team, so we’ll see if the burgeoning functionalness glimpsed before the break continues. Confidence can’t be considered an issue anymore.

The only thing I “wonder” is where you two found the bottomless bottle of Olympic haterade. :D

by laurenb on Mar 2, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ABSOLUTELY THE BEST NEWS I’VE HAD IN A WHILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe GM Joe! I believe!

Great post Brad G!

And to the rest of you kill-joys, I don’t care what you say! I’m not letting you ruin this fabulous news for me or for the Stars.

WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LET THE CITIZENS OF OTTERVILLE REJOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Supporting your local ice troll, 24/7/365

by laughs2loud on Mar 1, 2010 5:02 PM CST reply actions  

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