2010 NHL Trade Deadline: Can The Stars Keep Steve Ott?
Last September, I went to Frisco to watch Stars training camp. My sister convinced me that waiting in the autograph line for a couple of hours after practice was somehow a good idea, so waited I did, and took her picture with some players. She wanted Steve Ott to sign a puck for her, but had only a black Sharpie. Otter, upon seeing this proclaimed "Ah, that's no good" and proceeded to march up and down the autograph line, soliciting other patient fans for a silver Sharpie. He came back. He signed the puck. He posed for a photograph, said a few kind words, and went on to the next in line.
That is one side of Steve Ott that 99% of NHL fandom will never experience. And why should they? They hate the guy. I, however, know that he's extremely loyal to his fans, he's a solid contributor in a variety of ways, and that he'll do anything for his teammates.
Therein lies my problem. To me, Steve Ott is a Dallas Star through and through. Drafted 25th overall by the Stars in 2000, he was brought up in this franchise. "Home Grown", as it were. He's someone I think the Stars can ill afford to lose, and it pains me to even consider the possibility. That's me being a fan.
To Joe Nieuwendyk, no matter his relationship with Steve, he must be a chess piece. A financial asset. A bullet in his "Tom Hicks model" pea-shooter, if you will.
The case for keeping Steve Ott is a compelling one, but the reasons to move him are seemingly undeniable. Can the Stars afford an upgraded Ott salary? If a deal cannot be reached, can they deal him before the deadline? Like Marty Turco, he cannot be allowed to walk in July for no compensation at all. Consideration of all of the above awaits after the jump...
The Value of The Intangible: "A maniac on skates"
We spoke recently on DefendingBigD Live with Bob Sturm of Sports Radio 1310 The Ticket about Steve Ott. While Bob is obviously a big fan of Steve Ott's game (and we are big fans of Bob Sturm's), he presented issues with a contract extension that went beyond pure financial difficulty. "It's a complex issue," Sturm said, "because there's a couple of things we have to think about. There comes a time in every players life where they don't play that way [any more]. Players like him are players who are willing destroy their bodies in the name of being pro hockey players."
So one of the first things the front office must ask themselves when considering a contract extension is: Will he sustain this level of play for 3 to 4 more years? And perhaps even before that, does his current level of play warrant such a commitment? Does he spark the team every night, or just some nights?
While, over the course of the last two seasons, Ott has shown the ability to contribute on the offensive end of the rink, that's not the (primary) reason to sign him. A player like him, you sign for his intangibles. Continued Sturm, "If you give him the 4 year deal he so desires, can you say at 31 (years of age) that Steve Ott is still your emotional leader?"
If this were a team that spent to the cap, I believe they would weigh those things and vote in Ott's favor. If this were a team that spent $57 million on payroll, Ott might have had the ink dry on a deal already, and the third or fourth years on such a deal might be considered acceptable risk. On a $45 million team that still needs to re-sign Nick Grossman and James Neal, Ott seems priced out of their range. "Steve Ott provides emotion," said Sturm, "but it's hard to value emotion versus goals. Will he still be a maniac on skates if you make him rich?"
The Numbers:
To see if we can fit Ott in here somewhere, let's take a look at what's already on the books for next season:
| Player | 2010-2011 Salaries (not cap hit) |
| Brad Richards | $7,800,000 |
| Mike Ribeiro | $5,000,000 |
| Brenden Morrow | $4,100,000 |
| Loui Eriksson | $3,200,000 |
| Jamie Benn | $635,000 |
| Brian Sutherby | $812,500 |
| Brandon Segal | $550,000 |
| Stephane Robidas | $3,250,000 |
| Trevor Daley | $2,500,000 |
| Karlis Skrastins | $1,650,000 |
| Mark Fistric | $1,000,000 |
| Jeff Woywitka | $700,000 |
| Sean Avery | $1,937,500 |
That's roughly $33.1 million in payroll dollars committed to next year already. So we have $11.9 million to play with if we're assuming the budget will stay the same. (In the vicinity of $45-$46 million)
That list of salaries is most notable for what's NOT on it: Goaltenders, Nick Grossman, James Neal, Mike Modano or Jere Lehtinen. Also not on that list: Upgrades at defense.
So start doing the math: Figure $3 million for Lehtonen (conservatively), and he'll need a backup. I'm penciling in $4 million for the goaltending position. Another $4 million goes to James Neal (RFA), if Loui Erikssons deal and offensive output are any indication. Anything less than four is a credit to Joe Nieuwendyk. Let's put Nick Grossman (RFA) down for a very optimistic $2 million. How are we doing? We're up to $43.1 million now, and we're four forwards and a defenseman short. The remaining $2-$3 million or so, split amongst that many players is "warm body" money at best.
I haven't even mentioned Tom Wandell (RFA) who also needs a little bump and a new deal.
So if Steve Ott is indeed targeting a Dustin Byfuglien like deal (3 years $9 million) doesn't that make the discussion moot when you look at it from a financial standpoint?
But!!?! New Ownership!!???
We all would like to believe that tomorrow, Tom Hicks will sell the team to a wealthy business man who wants very badly to get his name on the Stanley Cup, and wants to do it right here in Dallas. That may happen, but it won't be tomorrow and it won't be before the trade deadline. Any possible sale of the team will move slowly, and any potential rise in payroll dollars will come long after the sale is done.
Joe Nieuwendyk, as much as he would like to, can't spend money he doesn't have yet. I believe he is approaching next season with the last two in mind, and will continue to do so until he hears otherwise from those above his pay grade.
The Best Fit?
Something that often gets neglected in these kinds of conversations about sentimental favorites is this: Is staying in Dallas the best thing for the player? By all accounts, Steve Ott wants to stay, and Joe Nieuwedyk wants him to stay, but is it the best thing for Ott's career moving forward?
Mike Heika brought up some interesting points about this last month:
The fly in the ointment is that it's really tough to define what Steve Ott is right now.
Is he a gritty third line forward who can kill penalties, agitate and help the team win? Is he a top six forward who can score goals and help make a skilled line tougher? Is he the elusive shut-down checking line center who can win faceoffs that this team so desperately needs?
After posting a season in which he had 19 goals and 27 assists for 46 points in 2008-09, could he go out and get a free agent contract that pays him $2.5 to $3 million a season? He probably could. Should he study that option to help advance his career? Definitely. Should the Stars pay him that money when they don't seem to have a spot in the lineup that would help him advance his career?
Does Dallas need to look to Austin and possibly bring up a Colton Sceviour, a Ray Sawada or a Francis Wathier? Should they see if a Tomas Vincour is ready or possibly look at a Warren Peters as a cheaper alternative to Ott? Should they spend their $2.5 million to $3 million on a right-handed checking line center who can win faceoffs?
I boiled it down a ton, and you should go check out Mike's full post here. But doesn't he have a point? Is this the best place for Steve Ott to advance himself? What is he exactly?
He plays with the Ribeiro line, he plays with Modano, he's on the fourth line, he's taking Jamie Benn's faceoffs for him...he's all over the place. Injuries afford him a lot of opportunity to play many different brands of hockey in many different roles, but none of it's consistent and none of it's predictable. At 27 years of age, wouldn't a more defined role and increased responsibility appeal to Ott, to say nothing of the pay check? Who wouldn't like a team with a big wad of cash whispering sweet nothings into his ear about how "we'll give you the chance to be a top six guy, a real offensive contributor here...".
I'm not saying Steve Ott is a top-six guy. What I am saying is that he will have many suitors should he hit free agency, and they'll tell him what he wants to hear. Some of them may even be right. Do you think Steve can grow his game even more if given the chance?
Do the Stars feel they can fill his shoes, or at least get by with a cheaper option from the AHL? Do you?
A Number of Teams are Interested:
Joe Nieuwendyk has been saying the things fans want to hear concerning Steve Ott, and reiterated those thoughts last week to the Dallas Morning News:
Are you having contract negotiations with Steve Ott or do you leave that to assistant general manager Frank Provenzano and the agent, Howard Gourwitz? Definitely. I never want to go behind an agent's back, but I prefer to talk to the individual directly. I have talked to Steve, and I will talk to him during the break. I'm not going to get into what we're talking about, but I do believe it is important. If you don't get a contract extension done before March 3, does that make a difference in how you view Steve at the trade deadline? It definitely makes a difference. I've said all along that my first priority is to get him signed. But if we can't, I've got to look at these offers. There's a number of teams who have called and are interested. Stars fans need to be prepared for next week, in other words. Unless there are new budgetary guidelines of which we are unaware, we must prepare ourselves very well. The first day of training camp this year, during the "captains practice", I was standing behind Marty Turco's net watching a drill. Ott was standing in Turco's kitchen. So Marty, as Marty is wont to do, took his goal stick and racked Ott with it right between his wickets. Otter turned around, wide eyed, and glared at him with an "EXCUSE ME?" kind of look on his face. After the Lehtonen trade, I thought about how the shutout of Phoenix on Feb. 6th might have been the last time I would see Marty Turco in person at the AAC in a Stars uniform. As it turns out, thanks to an emergency appendectomy, it might have been the last time we see Steve Ott in a Stars uniform as well. That would be a damned shame. No one gets the American Airlines Center on it's feet like Steve Ott.
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Words cannot express how sad this makes me.
The full value and full role of Steve Ott to this team, cannot be replaced. His position can be filled to some degree but he cannot be. As a team that has had a difficult time getting energy going in a game, that worries me, a lot. But I fully understand what is in play here and agree that we will probably not be seeing Otter in a Stars uniform after the trade deadline.
I do believe that he is the type player that as long as his health holds up, he will continue to play the same way he always has. Any team that gets him will be very lucky and I fully expect to see him as a captain some day. He has that level of leadership skills.
I will, however, continue to wear my signed Ott jersey with great pride for a long time to come.
Great post, Brad. Thanks.
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Yeah, I was thinking that too.
And I’m having a hard time with that 2.5 to Trevor Daley. Sigh.
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by laughs2loud on Feb 23, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
your sister...
sounds like a very smart person! Aren’t you glad I made you wait? And we’ll have that puck forever!
keep ott
We have to keep ott, i think he will onlyget better provided a bigger role and more ice time on the team. We have to trim the fat somewhere, and I think the D will take a hit. I am freaking out about the trade deadline, i get a really bad feeling about it! Ott has to stay a star. I can put up with another season like this until we get a new owner, who with all likelyhood will come in and spend money
I'm not saying he's definitely going to be moved
I am just saying that it won’t surprise me in the least if he is.
If they keep him…I’ll throw an Ott party.
Steve Ott is a keeper.
We currently have the best agitator/pest in the NHL. You just don’t let someone like Ott go. Plus, I love him lots and I’d probably cry if he got traded or signed somewhere else.
The thing about Otter is that you know that deep down inside, every GM wants him on their team.
Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.
by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Feb 23, 2010 2:01 PM CST reply actions
If Hicks' cashflow is as solid as he felt the need to claim in the recent press conference
…this would be a great time for him to have thoughts like, “The Stars will be a more attractive salable product if we retain assets like Steve Ott.”
Very much hope Otter is able to stay.
Pleeeeeeeeease keep Ott
we need him. I dont think his contributions can be measured in dollars. Without him, this team loses a lot of toughness and I think that is a terrible thing.
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New Little Ball of Hate
His game reminds me so much of Pat Verbeek. When the stars let him go to Detroit I felt we lost something big. This would be that same kind of thing. I think it is the edge he brings to the team. I guess we need to look at it in terms of what we can part with. Neal?? Grossman?? Wandell? These are core future stars. Who will come back to haunt us more one of them 3 or Ott I am torn myself.
by stnlycupchmps99 on Feb 23, 2010 5:21 PM CST reply actions
I like Ott the player
I think he brings several things to the table that no one else does. That said numbers don’t lie. They can’t afford to give him 3 million unless they ship someone else out. Quite frankly keeping Ott and Robidas only to trade Ribiero makes no sense to me. That’s a step backwards.
Now if you ask me who I’d prefer to keep Morrow or Ott that’s a tougher choice. I think Ott is a fantastic 3rd line center/winger. He’s the guy you want checking the other teams’ best players and driving them out of their mind. I think Morrow is the 4th best left winger on the club.
Fact is if Ott can be traded, bringing back a 2nd and a defensive prospect that can step into the NHL he has to go. The defense has to improve and the only quick way to do that is via trades because this team on a budget can’t go the FA route. (not that there are a lot of good UFA defensemen on the market this summer anyway.)
Be prepared to be sad. I think several moves may be in the offering and Stars fans are going to be surprised.
You beat me to it...
don’t beat me up, but what about trading Morrow and re-signing Ott? Ott seems to have that fire that I used to see from Morrow. But Morrow is now 31 (32 next season) and his numbers have been declining. Give Ott the Morrow role (not captain, mind you). He is 4yrs younger and cheaper, if we can get him for $3M a season. I think Morrow would get a pretty decent return. Food for thought.
I feel like I'm committing treason... But..
At the moment, I feel that Ott is a more valuable asset than Morrow. Morrow has brought a ton to this team, but for the past year (since the injury), his play has felt awkward and disjuncted. I rarely see the old Morrow out on the ice anymore, and his only real highlight of the year I feel, is when he blocked a shot with his gloves with a few seconds left before firing out the the zone.
I have only been keeping up with Team Canada for one reason this Olympics. I was hoping that Morrow would rack up a few goals, and regain that confidence and passion I feel he has lost.
Essentially, as much as I love Morrow on this team, if it came down to keeping Ott
vs. Morrow… I would pick Ott. And now my fingers are tired. Damn iPhone.
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by RyanM on Feb 23, 2010 5:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And speaking of awkward and disjuncted.
Forgive my awful iPhone sentences…
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by RyanM on Feb 23, 2010 5:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It just might work...
now for a HOT shower to wash the stink of treason off me..LOL
I never really looked at this as an option before but now im a believer.
Have you watched all the Canada games?
Morrow doesn’t have any points to his name but he’s been playing 4th line minutes and 1st line PK with a tonne of jump in his step. You can’t really expect him to rack up the points when guys like Crosby, Nash, Iginla, Thornton, Heatley and Marlaeu on the team (to name a few).
Morrow made the team to be grinder and energy player and that’s exactly what he’s been doing.
I should note that he should have had an assist on Heatley’s goals against the US. I’m quite sure he tipped Weber’s pass along the boards to Toews.
Yes... I have.
I know Morrow is a grinder, not a sniper or playmaker. But that energy he’s supposed to bring I haven’t seen in quite a while. I’m not debating about his stats, I’m debating about his roll on the team, and how I don’t think he’s had it as expected since he’s come back. The past few games he has had a bit of energy on Team Canada, but he’s still shrugging out of hits, and giving away weak turnovers… I don’t know what’s up, but I wish the old Morrow would come back.
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YES!
i saw that too. he totally tipped it around to Toews. i figured they would’ve corrected it but never did. maybe we can get BaD radio to ask Brenden himself?!
by ludwig's mullet on Feb 23, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
You're not alone
Benn has made Morrow expendable. Ott brings the emotion and passion that Morrow does too.
My one fear with shipping Ribiero out is that the defense still doesn’t take a large enough step forward that Brad Richards decides not to re-sign either. Then come 2012 you’ve got no Richards or Ribiero. Just Glennie and Wandell. That does not scream strong down the middle to me. So to make every thing work Ott or Morrow can stay but not both, not a at 3+ million/year. If for no other reason than to keep Neal who’s better than both.
There are a few directions this team can take but only one or two that really make a lot of sense.
I feel the same way about Morrow...
He just doesn’t have it this year and he might never get his spark back. An ACL injury is a horrible thing that a player can’t always come back from.
Also, I’ve been questioning Morrow’s leadership this season. Right now, I’d love to see Robi be named captain.
I’d pick Ott in a heartbeat over Morrow. Ditto with Bennster and Nealer.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Feb 24, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I have confidence in Morrow ...
It is very common for an ACL to not get 100% till the 2nd season back. Plus Morrow’s game does not depend on speed or quickness that may not come back after an ACL injury. I think he is steadily improving and will get back.
More worrisome is his style of play does not seem to fit the direction the team is trying to move to.
no trade clause
in Morrow’s contract. though i do think it would be a situation where he’d be surprised and ticked off and then go ahead and approve a trade.
by ludwig's mullet on Feb 23, 2010 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
i'd like to see them keep Ott but...
if Joe can get some value out of him now, i think you need to make the trade. it may be painful, but i think necessary.
imo, the whole ownership situation is MUCH more grave than we all realize. those of us who follow the Rangers went through this whole damn circus for the last 18 months or whatever. little by little, we got hints of the severity of the situation. we are in the same boat here.
we dont have the money. not when Neal and Grossman (two more substantial building blocks for the future imo) needs some decent paydays.
as B_R_Rocks said above, some GM will see the value in Otter. who says Ott will give us any sort of home team discount? i doubt he will, this will be his major payday in his career and i bet someone will give him $3.5-4million per. that person wont be us.
between a pending sale to nobody at the moment, money, Turco, Otter, UFAs, RFAs, drop in ticket sales and new flight of improved WC teams (COL, LAK, even NAS, STL look promising) GM Joe has a full plate.
by ludwig's mullet on Feb 23, 2010 5:26 PM CST reply actions
An example...
Of how devastating this loss would be to the team. The Morrow fight at the drop of the puck between him and (of course I forgot his name) the guy who slept with Ott’s wife. Ott would do anything for this team and vice versa. You CAN’T afford to lose a player that brings this dynamic to the team. Not to mention, I can’t afford to buy a different player’s jersey and definitely don’t want to.
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not that it really matters….I just have a good memory for that kind of trivia
aaaand he's an olympian!
first thing i thought of when rosters were announced. i wasnt aware he was that good.
morrow only fought Otter’s fight b/c of the ‘C’ on his chest. i dont think he would have done it otherwise. which is a good thing, he’s the captain and performs captain actions.
by ludwig's mullet on Feb 23, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
One item that was not mentioned----
Something that was not mentioned about Steve Ott that should not be overlooked…
His defensive value! Otter is more than an offensive winger, he’s a very good penalty killer. He brings great energy to the PK, he often draws a penalty to even the odds, he’s not afraid to give up the body to block a shot and, finally, don’t forget all the breakaways he springs on the PK (OK, so the scoring percentage is low but atleast it kills time).
Your last line says alot: “No one gets the American Airlines Center on it’s feet like Steve Ott.” And before you can get them on their feet you have to get their butts in the seats.
Steve Ott is good for this team, any team. And if you have something others want, you better seriously consider what it would be like to have to play against him!
Otter is important to this team and they MUST find a way to keep him here. What you can’t load into salary could be made up for in incentives.
Brendan Morrow has given up his claim to being the emotional leader of this team. He showed us all that Team Canada was more valuable to him than the team he captains. Otter is now the man to drag the rest of the team into battle.
And he is the man that the fans love. If Joe is truly as smart as everyone claims, he’ll find a way to hang on to Steve Ott. One way is shipping out the vastly over-paid Trevor Daley and replacing him with Maxime Fortunus. Another way would be reducing Turco’s salary to match his value.
Where there’s a will, you can find a way!
i wonder
how much more we could/should be seeing of some of our AHL guys like Fortunus, Sawada, Wathier, etc. simply b/c of the payroll issue. They’ve only been brought up to fill in for injuries that’s it, then they’re shipped back to AHL asap with no grooming in mind. Nearly all the guys have really looked good given the circumstances, funny that Vishny looked the worst.
by ludwig's mullet on Feb 24, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'm really, really afraid Otter is gone
Reading between the lines of what Nieuwendyk has been saying (being getting good at that trying to figure out what’s going on with Marty), he’s basically been saying that if they cannot come to a deal with Steve pronto, he’s probably going to be gone at the deadline. I HATE that. Even more than Marty, Otter brings so many intangibles to the team that don’t show up on the stat sheet and right now, this team cannot afford to lose that. I want the Pepper Pot on our side, getting under the skin of the other team, not ours.
And if he has to go, ship him off to the Eastern Conference, so we only have to see him once or twice a year. Can you see him getting a chance to get under Sid the Kid’s or Ovie’s skin four or six times a year? That would be must-see TV.
It's been over a week
since Joe gave those quotes about Otter … and no news is definitely not good. He said as clearly as most GM’s ever will in the press, that if Ott doesn’t sign at the Stars price he’s gone. Yeah, there’s still a slim chance that someone gives us enough for a Ribero, or even a Morrow that we take a different path.
Reading the BradG’s post literally brought a tear to my eye trying to come to terms that we may never see Ott in a Stars jersey again. :(
You have to cut salary
Either Ott, Ribeiro or….gah, Richards.
I strongly suspect if Joe can get anything good for Ott or Ribeiro, he’ll take it. I don’t think most teams want a $7 million dollar man right now, even a stud like Richards.
He did in TB too...
Just saying. I’d love to keep all 3 but one or more are going.

















