The Value Of Trading Mike Ribeiro
Sunday's game against the Phoenix Coyotes was frustrating in many ways, and not just because it was the third time Dave Tippett has beaten the Stars this season. The game showcased and highlighted the two extremes of the Dallas Stars team all in one game: their relentless offensive power and growing potential among the young forwards, negated by shaky defensemen and mediocre goaltending.
The loss and the Stars' position in the standings also left the team in a very precarious position in the standings and makes some of the future decisions by Joe Nieuwendyk all the more tough. On one hand, you have a Stars team that is standing on the precipice of breaking out and making a spirited run at the playoffs, while on the other the team is two losses away from falling out of contention entirely.
So should the team decide to make trades and moves in a concerted effort to beef up the team now? With only six forwards under contract through next season, and both goaltenders headed into potential free agency as well, there's a good chance that the Stars team we see next season will look drastically different than the one that is on the ice now. So does Joe Nieuwendyk broker his acquisitions and trades based on the potential of making the playoffs this season, or does the team entire sell mode and look for value with players that have a long-term future with the team?
The short answer is to try and do both at once, which is certainly not a simple task.
The key to any move could be Mike Ribeiro.
A lot of the trade focus so far this season has been on Marty Turco. With the Dallas Stars not hiding the fact they are not seeking a new contract with with the veteran goaltender, the fact remains that any trade involving Turco will be complicated and likely not to bring the value most would hope. True, a package deal to Chicago would be nice (especially if the return were Kris Versteeg) but it's unlikely.
No, the big name on the Stars team that could have the most value in a trade would be Mike Ribeiro. While his numbers are still high, it's tough to argue that Ribeiro has had trouble adjusting to Marc Crawford's system. Brenden Morrow is playing the best hockey of the season far; is it coincidence that the speedy and high-energy Jamie Benn is his center has jumpstarted the Stars captain?
The big issue at hand with any trade that may be made has to do with the team's finances. Right now it's highly doubtful that the Stars will be able to actually add salary with any trade that is made. So if a move does go down, it will be laterally salary-wise. So the Stars trade away $2 million and gain $1.8 million.
Right now the Stars' biggest need is on defense; both short and long term. Being able to trade for a big, puck moving defenseman that can help solidify the young defensive corps already in place while regulating minutes should be high on the Stars priority list. Of course, there aren't many 24-28 year old defensemen out there that fit this bill, nor would they be worth the trade that could be made. Plus, you have to consider that salary that will be involved.
With Dion Phaneuf traded (and he was never a player the Stars should have coveted anyways), then the list of eligible defenseman has shrunk a bit. Sheldon Souray will always be at the top but with the Toronto Maple Leafs makes the trades they did lately, the next name to pop up will once again by Tomas Kaberle. Toronto currently has just twelve forwards under contract in the NHL, with nine defenseman on board with over $24 million locked up on the blueline next season.
The Leafs will be looking to find a buyer for one of their defensemen, who has scorers to give. Toronto gave away their top scoring threats in order to bag Phaneuf, and now are in desperate need for someone to score goals, not just this season but in the future as well. When looking at viable partners, the Stars and the Leafs make sense. Mike Ribeiro will add the scoring they need (imagine Ribeiro paired with Nazem Kadri), while Tomas Kaberle would instantly boost the Stars defense. There would be other players involved and perhaps draft picks, but the salary makes sense for both sides.
This goes for any other teams looking to make a deal with the Dallas Stars. Based on the system the Stars are trying to build, their payroll and salary cap situation and the needs of the team, Mike Ribeiro's name is going to be mentioned again and again. Now there are other complications involved, specifically whether Ribeiro's reputation would allow the Stars to openly make him available, especially in Canada. It's also a matter of whether the Stars are willing to part with a player of Ribeiro's talents.
Trading Mike Ribeiro would have nothing to do with his ability or his standing with the team; he's become a fan favorite and he's been the top scorer on the Stars ever since he joined the team. Yet Joe Nieuwendyk must make some tough decisions in order to make any positive trades for the Stars, and weighing current talent versus future potential would be the toughest. Does he trade a top scoring threat now, or does he trade some of the younger prospects who have the potential to be great in just a short amount of time.
The Stars will also be on the lookout for young goaltenders, a future franchise netminder who can be had for good value via trade. I doubt we'll see both a big defenseman and a new goaltender acquired at the same time, and the value of the players involved say trade now for the blueliner and nab a goaltender over the summer.
With the players on the roster and the salaries involved, Mike Ribeiro's value for a trade makes the most sense. If he can help the Stars acquire a top defensemen on March 3, the Joe Nieuwendyk will have to pull the trigger.
First of all, this is nothing but speculation. Also, I'm a big Mike Ribeiro fan and I would rather he not be traded. Also, I'm pretty certain this post will not be popular. The end.
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That trade is the type of trade that Newy should be looking at. If the Stars could get a top D man and a future goalie at this trade deadline. With hopefully more funds available in the offseason to spend, there is no reason that the Stars couldn’t be back in the thick of things next season. However, I think it is about the time to pull the plug on this season and build for the future.
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Brandon, you mention the Stars need a big, puck moving defenseman. The Predators need a playmaking center.
Enter Dan Hamhuis.
Hamhuis is the odd man out in the Nashville D-Corps that includes Weber, Suter, and up and comers like Cody Franson, Kevin Klein, Teemu Laakso, Roman Josi, Jon Blum, and Ryan Ellis.
I like to describe him as a bit of a hybrid between Suter and Weber. He’s bigger and tougher than Suter, but faster, better on the puck, and better one-on-one than Weber. While not as good as either of those guys, I think that he has the potential to be a top-pair guy in a place like Dallas.
He’s a UFA, and the Predators can’t afford to keep a 26 year old defenseman at a high price when they have so many elite prospects along with Weber/Suter.
What think you?
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They seem to have
The same chance at winning these games recently as they did when he was in the lineup. But now Wandell (and his long term development) are hurt, and Mike Modnao is expiring (gracefully). So you look at the future of the center position on this team and weigh that against the defensive needs….it’s a mess when you consider the lack of money to spend.
It’s hard to fathom trading him. He has been so good here for a pretty good while now.
It’s a shame they didn’t have more time with him in the lineup before the trade deadline to evaluate his worth in the current system.
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NO on Kaberle because of the contracts
Kaberle is a FA after next season and has gone on record as having no desire to play out west. He’s not worth Ribiero because Mike is signed for the next several years.
I wouldn’t want to move him in the division but PHX or better yet, LA makes a lot of sense.
Ribs and Niskanen for Hickey, Moller, and Jack Johnson.
They’d almost be better off selling their vets at the deadline, collecting picks and then move some of those picks plus a star at the draft for a guy like Vishnovsky in Edmonton. Speaking of whom he’d be my number one target, hoping that the Oil can’t move Surey so they move Vish instead.
I wasn't exactly calling for a straight up Kaberle trade...
But moreso looking at who would be talked about and who on the Stars has the best value.
Plus, I’m hearing that Ribeiro’s name has been brought up in connection to a trade with Toronto, and it was fairly serious talks as well.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 2, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
i still say keep him
He’s played 40 games, and needless to say, he hasn’t been great. But I can just picture his amazing passing to defensemen jumping into the play, and I don’t want that to disappear from the team. Granted, he does play a similar style to Richards (obviously, as they are both “playmakers”). But when he gets going, he’s a dangerous, dangerous player.
How about this line: Modano-Ribeiro-Lehtinen. A savvy, veteran line, and with the way Mo is playing now, I think it could be effective. Ribeiro loses the in-front presence that he likes, but he gains two wingers who know exactly where to go for scoring chances. Just picture him passing the puck behind the opponents net to Lehts or Mo. Can’t you see the snipe in the top corner?
All-in-All, we gave Richards a while to adjust here, let’s give Ribs a chance to flourish in Crawford’s system. Morrow is finally adjusting to it now, Ott is finally fine-tuning his line, and Benn is looking better than ever. Let’s give Ribs his time when gets back.
Joe is in a tough spot, He’s probably got a better shot at trading Turco, Brunnstrom, Daley for someone like Vokoun who might be able to stop a few more shots. Then go after a top defenseman in the offseason once they have a little more money to be flexible with. The options for this year are too limited.
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ESPN insider rumors had Riberio going to Toronto. Nice call my friend.
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I didn’t see that.
I brought up Ribeiro’s name during last night’s Rink Side Radio, and James Mirtle perked up and was like “Yeah, he’s been mentioned.”
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 2, 2010 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know. I just don't know. It would have to be a significant improvement to the team.
then again, I’m of the school that a good forward is a dime a dozen but a good defenseman is tough to find.
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Agreed...
i have no problem with Ribiero being traded, but obviously his creativity will be missed. But his contract is not ideal and he is on the wrong side of his prime years. As you mentioned he does not fit Crawford’s system and if Benn keeps developing as a centerman we are set. Although i enjoy his skill, his size is huge disadvantage, especially away from home, when someone along the lines of Getzlaf manhandles him. Ribiero is the key piece in a trade if we want value back because of his skill, signed to a ‘manageable’ contract (allows for the return to have a higher salary also), and he is a forward which is what is the teams strength right now.
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They’re not finished yet.
They have a lot of cheap D in the system, really still need offense, and suddenly have a mountain of wingers to trade away. Daryl Sutter was in Dallas a few days ago as well. I don’t know who we’d grab from them – obviously not Jobo – but maybe some kids since according to Darren Dreger of TSN we’re cutting salary for next year?
Who knows really, Joe’s not talking much.
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honestly, getting rid of Ribs seems like a horrible idea in my opinion. the only way i would even consider getting rid of him would be the guarantee of getting a number 1 defenseman in return.
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by Damien Franco on Feb 4, 2010 7:17 AM CST up reply actions
Bad idea...
I wouldn’t get rid of Ribs. I’d get rid of Morrow instead. The team has proven that they can play without Morrow, but they’re not so great without Ribs. Feel free to prove me wrong…
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Feb 3, 2010 1:57 PM CST reply actions
The way they are playing right now.....
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 3, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with Brandon. Who's playing so much better with a different center?
Morrow. We thought Morrow was having trouble adjusting to Crow’s new system but perhaps it was his center. Hmmm.
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From what I've read, the team is never "without" Morrow in the absolute way you're proposing, BRR
He traveled with the team last year, may have with the oblique injury too. It’s possible that trading a captain who’s highly associated with the Stars franchise, was named to Team Canada, and is still recovering from knee surgery wouldn’t devastate the team and fans.
I know you meant “without” on the ice, but Morrow’s intangibles (as well as his still-healing tangibles… err… that sounds wrong) could make him the far greater loss. Or maybe the last two years have broken down some of those relationships between players. We’ll see.
I like Ribs but you have to give something big to get something big.
You can’t just throw out Niskie/Brunner/bag of pucks and expect to get something huge in return.
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and sometimes you give up something big and get jack in return
and jack is over rated, over paid and sucks on the point
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by Damien Franco on Feb 4, 2010 7:18 AM CST up reply actions

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