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Olympic Hockey Break: Grading The Dallas Stars Goaltenders

Continuing our series from yesterday, today we turn our attention the Dallas Stars goaltenders. The goal here is to analyze and talk about their performances relative to our respective expectations for each player headed into the season. Obviously, we weren't expecting Marty Turco to be the goalie that set a modern-era goals-against average, but how did he do when you think about what you were expecting back in September?

Overall, the goaltending has been wholly disappointing as the season has progressed. Both goaltenders' propensity for allowing soft goals in the final minutes of a period or failing to make the big save when the team needed it the most has frustrated Stars fans ever since October. What is good to know is that the Stars are at least allowing less goals per game than last season, when a complete lack of goaltending ability helped the Stars fall apart down the stretch.

Yet it's also been the goaltending that's allowed the Stars to climb back into the Western conference playoff race, with two weeks worth of masterful performances by Marty Turco. But was it too little, too late? We all hoped that Alex Auld could perhaps grab the temporary starter's role when Turco was struggling, yet he disappointed as well. Was the lack of consistent goaltending a reason for the team's struggles, or was it the defense that led to the netminding issues?

Vote for how you feel the goaltending has performed overall, then make the jump for stats and thoughts on each goalies.

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Are grades are relative to expectations relative to that player.


GP MIN W L OTL GA GAA SA SV SV% SO
2009 - Alex Auld 21 1181 9 6 3 59 3.00 558 499 .894 0

When the Stars traded for Alex Auld last summer, the hope was that he'd at least be a better backup option that what the Stars had in 2008-09. Auld was a proven backup goaltender, who has had decent success with several teams. This season, he's stolen some games for the Stars yet he's also had some questionable performances when the team really needed him. When Turco was struggling and the Stars were ready to hand over the starting position, Auld steady played worse with each progressing game. Now, it looks like he may be the odd man out at the trade deadline.

Overall grade: C


GP MIN W L OTL GA GAA SA SV SV% SO
2009 - Marty Turco 43 2534 19 15 9 111 2.63 1307 1196 .915 4

He started off alright, stumbled in December and January and then played out of his mind the last few weeks before the break. His overall numbers are decent, but what's been most worrisome is the high number of overtime and shootout losses. He's also exemplified this season what Stars fans have always complained about when Turco plays: allowing some incredibly soft goals at the worst times, despite making several big stops all game long.

Overall grade: C

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Dallas Stars goaltenders so far, based on your expectations?
A
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B
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C
80 votes
D
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F
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Trusting Turco

Kind of strange to be hearing about the poor backup last year when the backup played what 4-6 games? I think he also went about 14-18 games between starts once. Nobody knows whether he would have been decent or not. What we do know is if a coach gets someone he doesn’t want he just doesn’t have to play him. Not that Turco played well last year other than during about a 4-5 week period in Jan. and Feb. Sound familiar? We’re at about the same time frame as we were last year when we thought we could make the playoffs because Turco was finally playing to his capabilities. I don’t have confidence that he will continue the great play that he has shown in his past 5 starts because he’s shown before that he can’t maintain that level. Don’t anyone hold their breath, its about 2 years too late to trust him. That’s why I’m happy that we got new blood to try, just not sure how to spell his name correctly yet.

by D.T.1 on Feb 18, 2010 8:39 PM CST reply actions  

Turco is playing good

Exception of Robidas and Fistric defense is the reason Turco is not playing up to his standards of top goalie. Trade for Souray and Turco continue Vezina form.

by robidasmvp on Feb 18, 2010 10:10 PM CST reply actions  

Wrong

Please, please don’t blame the defense AGAIN. No, we don’t have the D of the Sharks or the Canucks, or most of the other teams but it will come in time. Marty has a job to do and he HAS NOT been doing that job. He is paid big $$$$ to stop those pucks and when you see him sprawled out on the ice doing his impression of a beached whale while the puck just goes right on by him, that is HIS fault. If you will notice lately he has been pretty much staying home and not running around all over the ice showing his “athletic ability.” He’s done better, right. Maybe he should have played it simple all along and not let his ego and his showmanship get in the way of his job. We keep hearing how good he was when we had the big experienced D men. Well, he was finally pretty good at getting us into the playoffs but during the first of that season, he pretty much stunk. So, with or with the BIG EXPERIENCED D men, it is no ones call but Marty’s as to how he decides to play. We have the same D now that we had at the first of the year so if he has the ability to win games now, why didn’t he win them then? He really has exhausted his time here and lost a lot of fans. I was NEVER a fan and saw the ego popping out about three years ago. That has been his downfall and, consequently, the downfall of a team that relied on him to do his job. Sorry, we just can’t keep blaming the D.

by StarsRule on Feb 19, 2010 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Wrong

If you’ve watched all the games this year as I have, you KNOW Turco has only himself to blame. His turnovers and soft goals are embarassing at times.

by 5PointPuckism on Feb 19, 2010 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

He actually went 30+ games between starts....

Marty set a team record at one point last year (or maybe it was a personal record) by starting either 32 or 34 straight games at one point last year. Management apparently had no confidence in Tobias Stephan, so they didn’t even bother to start him. Perhaps they saw something in practice they didn’t like? Which makes you wonder how he even made the team out of training camp.

But we also got bit really bad with the injury bug around mid-Feb/early-March (worse than we already were with Brenden/Sergei being out). That’s around the time Brad Richards broke his hand the first time. The rest of the season went downhill from there for the entire team, not just Marty.

by TracyJean on Feb 18, 2010 10:12 PM CST reply actions  

I would think.......................

that they were expecting a better performance out of an almost 6 million dollar goalie. Or expecting him to earn his money. He just didn’t do that, until he was pushed into it by the hiring of Kari. If he has the ability NOW to do as good as he is doing, why couldn’t he have done the same thing at the first of the season, or possibly last year?

I am so looking forward to the change. It may not be what I hope it will be but something had to be done. The team is playing with much more confidence since Marty has been doing his job. We got excuse after excuse and promise after promise that he would be better and he had the problem figured out. Hmmmmm, well that wasn’t working so I guess GM Joe just helped it along. Now, it appears that Marty is auditioning, not winning for the Stars. That’s o.k. because he wasn’t winning before. Whichever team gets him will be getting a good goalie because he will be so motivated to prove everyone wrong. Prove he was an “elite” goalie. He had the opportunity to do that but he did NOT take advantage of that opportunity.

by StarsRule on Feb 19, 2010 12:23 AM CST reply actions  

He started that run of six awesome performances

Well before Lehtonen, actually.

And he has the least paid (by 5 miles) defense in the Western conference in front of him. I mean…it’s not even close.

Can’t wait to see everyone hold Kari to the same standards and merciless prosecution as Turco. Every Niskanen and Daley mistake somehow becomes ______ mistake. Can’t wait to see all the Turco haters apply some consistency to their “logic”.

by Brad Gardner on Feb 19, 2010 1:00 AM CST reply actions  

You're right

I totally agree. An all-world goalie can’t keep the puck out with no help from the blueliners.

by Mike Russo on Feb 19, 2010 6:56 AM CST up reply actions  

As I've said before (and others have too), I don't think Martin Brodeur could play behind our defense.

Although lately, Martin Brodeur can’t even play behind his own defense. The same day our Marty got his second shutout against Phoenix, Brodeur got pulled against Carolina. And he looked pretty pedestrian against Toronto in the game the day that Brendan Burke died (Toronto players didn’t find out the news until after the game, so they weren’t playing the game for their GM – that was the next game). Two of the worst teams in the league.

Hockey is still a team game. Yes, Marty has lost us some games, but there have been more games where he has had help – in some games, a lot of help – losing games from our D-men and even from our offense’s occassional lack of scoring (the last two Columbus games).

by TracyJean on Feb 19, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Why would they?

After all, Auld got a pass by many people for making a lot of the same mistakes as Marty. They wanted to see him keep going in net just because his name was not Marty Turco.

For example, in the Islanders game, Marty made a mistake handling the puck, it was picked off his stick and the Islanders scored. Even though we won that game, he was crucified by some people (as he would have been in the Phoenix game if Vrbata could have hit the broad side of a barn, let alone the wide open net). Alex made the exact same mistake in another game that we LOST, and it was “no big deal”.

I pointed out in another thread that Marty has been saving 35-40 shots a night during this recent run and someone else says that they were mostly weak shots, but I bet if I’d said the same thing about Auld saving so many shoots, people would have said he’d stolen some games for us because our D let too many shots get to him. Even when Marty is playing well, some people just feel the need to denegrate what he is doing. I imagine that the first time Lehtonen gives up a soft goal, we’ll hear “oh, he hasn’t played in a year at the NHL level, he’s still getting his game back.” The hypocracy of some people is overwhelming and I don’t think that will change.

by TracyJean on Feb 19, 2010 7:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Ostrich Syndrome

Hmmmm, the Ostrich Syndrome is just as overwhelming, if not more, than what is considered hypocrisy. Those that have their head in the sand and don’t want to admit when there is a problem, (after such a long time), are going to be the ones that are shocked. No, Kari was not signed at the time Marty had his great change but he KNEW what was coming. How could he not know with all the talk in the media, as well as Stars fans. No, I believe that Marty can turn it on or off whenever he wants to and right now it is on because he is auditioning for a job. Whether it be here, (OMG no) or elsewhere, he is auditioning. I asked a friend this week if Joe had gone to the Olympics to check out goalie prospects and I was told that when we took Kari we got the goalie we were going to go with. This person is very close to the situation and is reliable. What we also need to be worrying about is a back-up again since we only signed Alex for one year. I doubt that Marty would want to take that but the #1 job is taken. If Kari can’t handle it I will have no problem talking about that either. That position MUST be consistent and I would imagine if you compared Marty and Marty B. you would find that the couple of times he (B) was pulled does not come close to Marty T. Lots of distance between the two goalies. One is considered “elite” and the other one considers himself “elite.” If Marty T. had NOT had those few last games that were so good, this conversation would not be taking place. Overwhelmingly, the fans had turned their opinions the other direction and were/are ready for him to go. Now, a few of those, with hopeful hearts, just know that he has it all turned around. Sort of like when he got us, along with the rest of the team, to the finals but he came back the next season and stunk. Why? Consistently inconsistent is not a good trait to have, and he has it. So, his contract is up, all the management talks about is younger, younger, he has had some terrible games this year and last so let’s just say our good-byes and move on. Hopefully, Kari WILL be “The One” but if he isn’t, I’m sure he won’t last either.

by StarsRule on Feb 19, 2010 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I am not being an ostritch

I just prefer to apply logic to the situation and look at the totality of the circumstances and not place all the blame for the team’s woes on one man. If you had ever sat beside me at games, you’d know that I’ve heaped my share of abuse on Marty when he’s let in softies – sometimes I wonder if he could hear me up in the stands (my seat is actually almost directly above him and just to his left during the 1st and 3rd periods) yelling as my voice really does carry. I am not in denial about this teams problems – I just don’t believe they all lie with the goaltender (either of them). Those who do believe Marty is solely responsible for every goal the other team scored, every screw up by the D, every missed offensive change – those are the people in denial.

by TracyJean on Feb 19, 2010 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't worry Brad...we will

But I don’t hear anyone saying the D doesn’t have it’s share of the blame…but by the same token, this recent improvement in our GAA is NOT Turco playng “out of his mind”….unless you mean when he has those brain farts every other game in a critical situation.

Anyone who is honest and watches Turco closely, knows he’s erratic and tries to do too much with the puck around his net. Maybe it’s ego, maybe it’s all the press he reads about his “puck handling”…whatever it is, he’s not a big loss if we trade him….how about them SO performances this year, huh? He’s a swinging gate when it comes to shoutouts.

by 5PointPuckism on Feb 19, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Too much

I think Turco tries to do too much because he sees huge holes in the D and doesn’t trust them. Considering how many times they’ve whiffed on both the shot AND the pass when “defending” an odd-man rush, I don’t blame him.

I have a really bad feeling that we’re going to realize how much Turco has brought to Dallas once he’s left.

by jabudi on Feb 19, 2010 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I've argued this too,

I think both our goalies have felt the need to anticipate and make the next play cause they don’t trust the D instead of making the stop in front of them. They are worried about the cross ice pass (that is the defenses responsibility) and leave the short side post too soon etc. They feel they have to play perfect to win the game … and they often do esp on the road.

On a player by player basis I like our D, it’s just that they are all playing 1-2 slots higher than they should because the Stars aren’t willing to spend what is needed for first pair nhl blueliners. People talk about how great Kari will be in front of our challenged D since he is coming from that D wasteland of Atlanta. The Stars blue line is paid just over $8mil, by far lowest in nhl. Thrashers blue line is paid $21mil with the 2 top guys getting $9.5mil. I know money doesn’t guarantee performance, but really, what the Stars have allocated to D is laughable. And the people that think this isn’t reflected in your goalies numbers aren’t being realistic.

by 1paniolo on Feb 19, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

My .02

If Marty does end up leaving, the main thing I’ll miss is his ability to handle the puck. Lehtonen clearly doesn’t have it.

I’m not saying that’s the primary asset to have, but it’s a nice one when your D needs help.

by Mike Russo on Feb 19, 2010 6:54 AM CST reply actions  

Off comment but I saw Mike Modano yesterday.

Didn’t want to attract attention, so I shot a quick pic with my camera. Jesus he is definitely in the best shape of his life.

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=9580

I am still "FRISKY FOR NISKY"

by RealDealNeal on Feb 19, 2010 8:52 AM CST reply actions  

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