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James Neal's Hit On Petr Prucha: Clean Or Illegal?

There seems to be a definitive line drawn in the sand this morning between Stars fans sitting at home and Coyotes fans who were at the game on whether Neal's hit on Prucha was illegal or not. Coyotes fans are understandably upset, because Prucha is not a guy you'd ever want carried off on a stretcher.

Here is the hit, courtesy of TracyJean:

You be the judge. But ONE WARNING: Debate the hit. Do not start flaming Coyotes fans or Five For Howling. We are better than that.

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You be the judge.
It was a clean hit.
264 votes
It was borderline, could go either way.
40 votes
It was definitely illegal.
20 votes

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there is no way anyone can say this hit was dirty. If you want to blame something blame the glass

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by Lifewish on Feb 14, 2010 10:57 AM CST reply actions  

I AGREE

that glass in phenoix is awful

by Lancers25 on Feb 14, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

if you think that hit was dirty

you’ve never played hockey. period. and if you did play hockey, and you think that hit was dirty, well, mr. brunnstrom, what are you doing commenting on a hockey blog anyways?

by agvdstars on Feb 14, 2010 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

Fabian

Is still trying to learn this North American way of playing hockey.
He heard we know our stuff on this site.
Maybe this website will explain to him what Robi means when he says “when the guy is comin’ for joo, just take de hit and make de play”

by Waywardstars on Feb 14, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

WTF

He barely touched him.

by jf55510 on Feb 14, 2010 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

Looks clean to me. Form the angles provided, there is no elbow, no charging. Prucha is up against the boards so no boarding.

Not sure what all the hub-bub is. Yeah. I just went hub-bub.

by BReynolds on Feb 14, 2010 11:08 AM CST reply actions  

I don't know either.

I think it’s mainly a result of the majority of Yotes fans were at the game, and that combined with Tippett’s reaction has skewed things a bit.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 14, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

The hit on Ericsson

in the 3rd was more of a head shot than Neil’s.

by 1paniolo on Feb 14, 2010 11:13 AM CST reply actions  

yeah

but you knew it was going to happen. as a player, you become much more aware for your own protection than in a typical game.

woywitka can’t be buddy-passing his teammates like that. i was more mad at him than the actually hit. that play never had to happen.

any word on loui, brandon? he never returned to the game, but i just assumed it was precautionary.

by agvdstars on Feb 14, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I have more of an issue with Jovanovski’s response than the initial hit that looked clean to me.

by Stanley Cup of Chowder on Feb 14, 2010 11:13 AM CST reply actions  

again

he has to do that. if we had one of our young guys knocked out, we would want barch/ott/etc. to go after the guy. nature of the game.

i didn’t like the immediate head-hunting by doan. but again, as a player, you definitely have to expect it for quite some time after the initial injury. but it’s pretty low class, but you have to expect it.

i guarantee every player on both benches had the thought of “oh, here we go” in some shape or form after the injury, and the coyotes came out rambunctious.

by agvdstars on Feb 14, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

i'm sorry brandon if you're friends with the guy who runs five for fighting

but making a pole that says, “was james neal’s hit unnecessary?” and then having “yes” as the only answer, is pretty ridiculous.

i would be upset if one of our guys went down. you never want to see an injury. but a day has passed. there is NO WAY you can call that hit dirty. no way.

far too many player in this league are staring at their passes and not protecting themselves afterwards. they get hit, and aren’t protecting themselves, something you learn when you’re 12-13 in north america. neal finished his check, which happens, what 5-6 times a SHIFT. it was a NORMAL HOCKEY PLAY.

give me a break. your guy is hurt. be pissed. but at some point, you need to admit that there was nothing dirty about that basic hockey play.

by agvdstars on Feb 14, 2010 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I'm friends with him.

Talking with Travis last night, he was upset about the hit. He also wasn’t too happy about Brandon Bibb’s recap.

I just want to leave it there. No need to get into any flame wars.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 14, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

no problem

i didn’t say anything there. i would be upset too if one of our guys went down. it’s understandable.

by agvdstars on Feb 14, 2010 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I know Tip made some comments after the game

but I really thought he was making a big deal out of it to get his team pumped up and to work the refs. And it worked. Through most of the 2nd period his team was hitting anything in a Stars sweater and the refs almost let things get out of hand by just swallowing their whistles.

by 1paniolo on Feb 14, 2010 11:24 AM CST reply actions  

Fabian Brunnstrom needs to stop voting

and how does he get multiple votes? he has 4 of them. i think you should only get a vote per goal. he’s cheating my imaginary system.

by agvdstars on Feb 14, 2010 11:34 AM CST reply actions  

This reminds me of Robidas’ hit on JP Dumont earlier in the season: looks dirty, but was clean. The hit will probably be reviewed because of Neal’s suspension earlier this season, but he’s probably not going to get suspended

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Feb 14, 2010 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

Sorry for anyone who had your comments deleted.

I had to deal with someone breaking our site rules, and that deleted a couple of threads of comments.

I apologize for that.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 14, 2010 12:43 PM CST reply actions  

Wasn't the dirtiest hit of the fight

I have still yet to see anyone mention the obvious headhunting that went on late in the first. It was apparent that people were attempting to injure and were willfully disregarding any modicum of concern about another players health.
I’m serious.
I don’t know what Aucoin said on the bench, but to have the ’Yotes try to remove his sternum was extremely distressing to watch.

by Waywardstars on Feb 14, 2010 12:48 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah...

Talking with some Yotes fans, that’s what they were most pissed about. The Coyotes basically lost their minds and didn’t care about the game after that. The Stars took advantage.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 14, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Five For Howling settles things down

Here’s the big issue on the hit:


It wasn’t the glass itself, but rather the metal stanchion where the penalty box glass is seamed together. (h/t to @patty_in_dallas on twitter) Rather than being a forgiving glass surface with shock absorbers and some give, he hit a rigid metal bar that no matter how you cut it was the one responsible for Prucha’s injury. That same injury could have happened at any arena, with any glass. They all have metal bits around the penalty box doors and that’s always a dangerous spot.

Did it look anywhere near that to anyone last night? Nope. Would it have helped any? No. I was ready to leave the game after the injury because I stopped caring about what else happened. I felt, as a grown man, sick to my stomach watching a player on the ice like that. It makes you angry. It should. I wrote about that, because that’s what being a blogger here is about. Not being objective, but conveying your (my) feelings as a fan

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 14, 2010 12:51 PM CST reply actions  

Sigh.

Second part should be quoted as well.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 14, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

What Bothers Me

Is the fact that anyone who thinks it was dirty keeps calling it a headshot, which means that there are far too many people out there who have no clue what a headshot is. Just because a player hits their head on the boards, glass, stanchions, etc. does not make it a headshot.

That being said, if the only replay Yotes fans got was the one that was zoomed out from like the rafters (which I saw on YT from their feed), then it’s no wonder why they thought it was dirty. I myself was on that side of things until I found the link to the above video last night, which clarifies everything.

by JCWM2 on Feb 14, 2010 1:05 PM CST reply actions  

We not only saw that one

But in arena we saw a replay from the other side of the ice that really made it look like an elbow. Part of what made it even more upsetting.

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by Travis Hair on Feb 14, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I had the Coyotes feed myself, and I was uncertain on the legality of hit until I saw a better replay.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 14, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I can understand Yotes fans being upset

We would be too if Robs was taken out by a similar hit. But here’s the facts:
- Prucha had just gotten rid of the puck, so it wasn’t boarding or charging. It was finishing a check.
- Shoulder-to-shoulder
- Both feet were on the ice
- There was no elbow whatsoever

If it takes place somewhere else along the boards, there is a good chance no one is even talking about it. The entire play was an unfortunate incident that is a prime example of how hockey is a physical game and injuries happen.

I hope Prucha nothing but a speedy recovery.

by LilEagle on Feb 14, 2010 1:05 PM CST reply actions  

I think most fans at this point

Are past the headshot part. Last night, different story because there were zero good replays and everything was too fresh.

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by Travis Hair on Feb 14, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Parties at blame here

-The glass
-Yotes TV crew
-Fabian Brunnstrom

"Hey... Goldberg! I bet if that puck was a cheeseburger, you'd stop it!

by TheCrow471 on Feb 14, 2010 2:12 PM CST reply actions  

LOL

Poor Fabian. He gets blamed for everything.

by Damien Franco on Feb 14, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

i still think fabian has potential to be good

but it’s just too easy to go after him. i can’t control myself. and i’m probably the only one here who wants to re-sign him, but to a 2-way contract.

by agvdstars on Feb 14, 2010 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

there is no way

he will sign a two way deal. not when there are at least 5 teams that would sign him on as a top six forward. Do you know how quickly Brian Burke would pull the trigger on a free agent like that? especially with his buddy in net for Toronto. I say package him up, and make Burke pull another mediocre trade that benefits the other team far more than his own.

by AA6 on Feb 15, 2010 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know what other angles are available and what they show

but from this clip, the hit is unquestionably clean. I would also note that Neil (who is coming from behind the player) actually makes an effort to move slightly to the front of him, basically hitting him on the side, instead of the back, which he could easily have done. As others have noted, there’s no highstick or elbow and no contact with the head. The player is along the boards already, so boarding doesn’t apply. It’s not charging since he changes his direction right before the hit. The one aspect of the rulebook that you can debate is the part of the boarding rule that says that it is the checking player’s responsibility not to make the check if one could reasonably assume the player would be sent dangerously into the boards. But I can’t see from this clip any way in which that check would have looked potentially dangerous before it happened. It’s not only a textbook clean hit, it’s a textbook clean hit situation.

Compare to the Bobby Ryan hit on Moller a couple weeks ago in the Ducks/Kings game. Many argued that it was a clean hit, elbows down, etc.. But the part where you’re supposed to avoid contact if you could reasonably cripple the guy for life was somehow overlooked. Not by the refs, but by the ducks fans.

Seamless glass does suck.

Wait till this year.

by Quisp on Feb 14, 2010 4:11 PM CST reply actions  

clean

Barely even looked like a hit. Unfortunate that an injury happened, but from what we’ve seen so far this year with other dirty hits that hit looked very pedestrian in comparison.

by SConn on Feb 14, 2010 5:23 PM CST reply actions  

A Few Points

I’d say it was a clean hit… a bit unnecessary, but clean. Dirty, less than necessary hits do happen in hockey.

However. I’m a bit worried that Neal might be a secretly dirty player. The hit on Dorsett earlier in the year had the same ordinary hockey play look to it. Maybe there’s more to these hits than meets the eye. Hopefully, that’s not the case though, and Neal has just been unlucky with where he chooses to hit.

Did anybody else see a little Bertuzzi in that Jovanovski retaliation? I really think that that could have been a serious injury had Neal not turned to face him last moment…

by .KARMA on Feb 14, 2010 9:59 PM CST reply actions  

Neal secretly dirty??

Although I don’t think Neal is a head hunter and the guy is an incredibly well rounded player, I recall an article from the local Columbus, OH newspaper prior to a Stars/Jackets game earlier this year regarding the whole James Neal scenario. Now the article overall was badly skewed/biased b/c it was a Columbus newspaper, but quotes from a player interview mentioned how Neal had a rep. for dirty hits in the Jr. leagues. Then again maybe Neal is just a victim of circumstances. I know I’ve been “head-hunted” in games before over attempted clean hits gone wrong (at rec. levels NOT pro). All-in-all, Neal is still a great player and I have yet to see him take a blatant dirty shot in his 2 seasons w/ the Stars.

by deaken77 on Feb 15, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Squeaky clean.

Let’s be honest: the glass sucks and it was a freak accident. Neal had no intention to hurt him and it was weird how Prucha was injured by it. It’s very unfortunate that Prucha was injured, but like I said, it was a freak injury.

The only dirty part was the Coyotes’ retaliation. How was Doan’s hit on Neal shortly afterward NOT charging? And Jovanovski could have injured Neal if Neal hadn’t seen him coming…

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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Feb 15, 2010 10:53 AM CST reply actions  

RIGHT ON!!!

I agree w/ questioning Jovo’s retaliation. Yeah you gotta stick up for your teammates, but what Jovo did was bottom line cross-checking from behind..VERY dangerous. Should’ve been a penalty…..how many times has Otter been put in the box for sticking up for a teammate…and all he did was grab a jersey and start yapping? There’s no rule that says you can get away w/ a penalty as long as you’re sticking up for a teammate. Is it me, or have the NHL refs gotten significantly worse over the past 3 years?

by deaken77 on Feb 15, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

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