Kari Lehtonen Traded To Dallas: Avoiding The Knee-Jerk Reaction
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When news first broke last night that the Dallas Stars were rumored to be trading for Kari Lehtonen, while giving up Ivan Vishnevskiy in return, the roar among fans was near instantaneous.
Yet as with all trades, it takes some time to sit back and really analyze the moves that were made and try and take the emotion out of the equation. Fanbases become attached to the players, especially players that were drafted and developed in that team's system, so it's an immediate reaction culled from emotional attachments that drive opinions on trades. What you get are knee-jerk reactions, instant calls for the firing of the general manager or outcries on how the front office has no clue what they are doing.
If you take some time to think about and analyze all aspects of this trade, then the big picture becomes much clearer.
We sit here the day after the first big trade of Joe Nieuwendyk's tenure and the future of the Dallas Stars suddenly appears to be much different than it was just two days prior. While this trade involved just two players total and a mid-round draft pick, the overall issues surrounding the trade are much more complex. Let's look at each aspect of this trade one at a time:
The Goaltenders
Before yesterday's trade, the top four goaltenders in the Dallas Stars system were all set to become unrestricted free agents this summer. And while we touched on the fact that the Stars could try and keep Turco for the next few seasons until a young replacement was found, there has been no doubt that either of these four were the long-term solution in net.
Marty Turco is 34 and on the downside of his career. While he's shown this season that he still has top-quality ability, his penchant for allowing soft goals at the worst times and for having some of the worst short-side positioning in the NHL has led many fans to be ready to move on without him. The Dallas Stars themselves had also started to make plans on not keeping Turco, as it's been no secret that team has not been pleased with his overall performance this season and had not made any effort on a contract extension.
While Alex Auld was acquired relatively cheaply this past summer, and had performed fairly well this season, he's also proven that he is not the long-term solution in net in Turco's absence. He was given the chance to force the Stars to consider that option when he became the team's starter over a two-week period, and the results were wholly mixed. This has held true for Auld's entire career; he's a great backup but has never been able to take the next step to becoming a starter.
The Stars also have two goaltenders in the AHL that were being given future consideration, but it's still up in the air on their ability to succeed in the NHL. Both saw spot duty last season, and while many were pleased with Matt Climie's play, neither he nor Brent Krahn did much to force the Stars to give them more time. Both are also scheduled to become free agents; the Stars will most likely only re-sign one as Richard Bachman will be looking to make the jump to the AHL next season.
There's a chance that Climie or Krahn could be become the backup next season, but before yesterday's trade the goaltending future for the Stars was completely up in the air. None of these four goaltenders were destined to be "the" guy for the Stars in net over the next 5-7 years, so some move must be made.
Ivan Vishnevskiy
As soon as word got out that Vishnevskiy was traded, there was an immediate sense of sadness and anger among Stars fans. Here was a defensemen that nearly the entire fanbase was counting on to become the next Sergei Zubov: a quick, offensively talented defensemen who would take charge of the defensive corps and lead this team to glory.
In reality, Vishnevskiy was a player with a ton of potential and nothing more. Many hoped that this season he would take the next step with the Texas Stars and while fans down in Austin were enamored with him (and he did make the AHL All-Star Game), he had yet to do enough to force Dallas to make him a permanent fixture on the blueline. With the issues the Stars have had all season long on defense, with injuries and poor play, that they were looking for a chance and a reason to have Vishneskiy come up and help improve the team.
Yet in the few times Vishnevskiy was briefly called up, he did little more than be 'just a guy' on the ice. You see flashes of his potential but he never was able to truly stand out. Perhaps that's a product of his limited playing time and inexperience, but in this game you must take full advantage of the opportunity afforded to you. His shortcomings in the defensive zone were also made that much more prevalent while in Dallas.
You also have to remember that Joe Nieuwendyk came to this team with fresh eyes, and sees this system and it's players and prospects from a brand new perspective. The scouts and the team that drafts a prospect will stick with them based on the potential that led him to be drafted in the first place, but a new voice can say that while he's potential is high he's yet to come near it.
If the Stars and Nieuwendyk were convinced that Ivan Vishnevskiy was their number one defenseman of the future, he was the next big power play guy, then he never would have been traded.
When teams enter this time of the year, and especially when teams enter a pseudo-rebuilding mode, there are certain players and prospects they deem untouchable and those they determine they are willing to part with. Nieuwendyk has stated several times that the team is very high on Philip Larsen, and there's a good chance that he was discouraged with Vishnevskiy's lack of defensive ability, something that is Larsen's strong suit.
The Dallas Stars right now have a number of highly offensively talented defensemen who are coming up way short of their of their potential. Matt Niskanen and Trevor Daley were both supposed to thrive, and both have stuttered as the years went on.
The Stars saw Vishnevskiy as a piece to be used to build on the future of this team and not a player who was a vital part of it.
That's why he was traded.
Kari Lehtonen
The major part in all of this is Kari Lehtonen. Talk to anyone involved in the NHL, and you'll hear nothing but praise for a goaltender who has all of the potential to be a truly special player. He has the mechanics, the reflexes and the track record both in the AHL and the NHL that shows he is a top competitor in net.
Yet his injury history and questions about his work ethics have sent his career sideways. He hasn't played the NHL all season after back surgery last summer, and his discontent with his team led to further issues with his desire to get back to top playing form. As with many trades of this caliber, a change of scenery could do wonders for Lehtonen's attitude. There are already reports on how ecstatic he is to move on with the Dallas Stars and have the chance to be the franchise's future number one netminder.
More importantly, Lehtonen is the type of goaltender who can succeed without a great defense in front of him. Playing in the NHL behind an atrocious Atlanta defensive system, he nonetheless put up some impressive numbers. Brodeur Is A Fraud, a blog that is a big fan of Lehtonen, had these numbers:
Even Strength Save Percentage Leaders Since the Lockout (min. 200 GP):
1. Tomas Vokoun: 282 GP, .935
2. Roberto Luongo: 328 GP, .930
3. Tim Thomas: 250 GP, .927
3. J.S. Giguere: 243 GP, .927
5. Miikka Kiprusoff: 353 GP, .926
5. Martin Brodeur: 314 GP, .926
7. Henrik Lundqvist: 316 GP, .925
7. Kari Lehtonen: 200 GP, .925
9. Ilya Bryzgalov: 238 GP, .924
9. Ryan Miller: 296 GP, .924
Many use goals-against average as a benchmark for goaltenders, but in truth that is a stat that belies an individual goalie's actual performance and is more of a team stat. Save percentage, on the other hand, is a great way to determine the overall effectiveness and ability of a goaltender. Lehtonen's numbers are right up there with some of the biggest names in the NHL over the past five seasons.
The biggest issue of course is his durability. He's played just 48 and 46 games the past few seasons (not counting this one) and has major injuries in each of them that derailed promising seasons. His one season in the NHL playing nearly a full workload, he had a 2.79 GAA and a .912 save percentage, while winning 34 games in 68 appearances. He also fits the mold for the type of goaltender the Stars were targeting; big (6-4, 215) and with tremendous upside. While you hope that he is fully healed from his surgery, you also know that the Stars did their due diligence and researched his injuries and his current health and would not have made the trade if they had any concern about his future.
This is a goaltender who has the ability to be a great starter for the Stars for at least the next five seasons, and while he'll be a much different goaltender than Marty Turco, he has the potential to be just as good. His RFA status this summer is a concern, but Nieuwendyk would not have made this trade if the team did not feel it could resign him to an affordable contract after this season.
What About Marty Turco?
There were murmurs after last nights game against the Hawks that Marty Turco was visibly upset after learning about the trade. There's no doubt that the Stars acquiring Lehtonen most likely means the end of his time in Dallas. For a player that was drafted out of college, spent years in the system and making his way up to the NHL and had tremendous success with the Stars while here, it's going to be tough of Turco to stomach playing somewhere else.
It's never seemed to be about money with Turco, and there have been zero accounts of him seeking one last big contract elsewhere. He feels personally attached to the Dallas Stars and it's going to be hard for both him and the fans as he moves on elsewhere.
Yet there is a time when a team must move in a different direction. Joe Nieuwendyk is working to change the overall makeup of this team, to prepare for the future and to go with a younger approach. The Stars drafted differently under Nieuwendyk this past summer, and already he's making noise with how this team uses it's top prospects from the past few seasons.
The Stars will go with three goaltenders for now, but that is not something that can continue all season long. The Stars were rumored to be in heavy talks with the Flyers last night over a Turco trade, but so far there have not been many teams willing to trade for an expensive 34 year old goaltender, who is most likely a rental.
The NHL rosters freeze on Friday, before opening up again just before the trade deadline on March 3rd. The Stars will no doubt keep looking for potential trade partners, and there's a good chance that Turco becomes part of a bundled trade instead of being the main piece.
Even if Turco is not traded, he will not be with this team after the summer. While we all wish he would have a change of heart, there's little chance he becomes a backup/mentor to Lehtonen for a considerably smaller salary, no matter how much he wants to stay in Dallas.
Like All Trades, It's A Gamble
When the Dallas Stars traded Mike Smith to Tampa Bay as part of the package that brought Brad Richards to Dallas, fans were caught off-guard and instantly felt wary and angry over the trade. Smith was a fan favorite, a backup who had a bright future ahead of him. Even today, with Brad Richards playing the best of his career and in the top five in the NHL in scoring, fans still wish Smith was still a Dallas Star.
We cannot rush to judge this trade based on the merits of the potential that Ivan Vishnevksiy possesses. He could end up being a very special player in Atlanta, logging 22 minutes a night and getting 60 points a season. There's also a very good chance he's "just a guy", who is lumped in with all the rest of the defensemen with tremendous offensive potential that never panned out. The Stars have three on the team already.
There's also a good chance the we spend the next three years worrying that Kari Lehtonen is injured and constantly out of the lineup. He could also lead this team to the playoffs.
When you trade potential in one player for potential in another, there's no way to judge how good that trade is the very next day. You take a month or a year to determine how good that trade might be. Jon Daniels traded away Mark Texeira, the best player on the Texas Rangers, for a handful of prospects. Those players are now the nucleus of a very promising Rangers team, but we're only seeing it two years down the road.
Let's wait and see what happens before we decide Nieuwendyk's fate, shall we.
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I'm optimistic...
The thing about Vishnevskiy is that if he stayed in Dallas, he’d have unrealistic expectations to be the next Zubov. There’s no way he can replace Zubov, though. He’d probably always disappoint us by not being Zubov…
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Feb 10, 2010 12:07 PM CST reply actions
That's probably true...
Also, a lot of his defensive missteps were covered up by being paired with Maxime Fortunus in Austin. The fact that so many have been so down on Ivan’s defensive skills makes me feel even better about Maxime Fortunus’s game moving forward.
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Clearly, Nieuwendyk didn't look at Vishnevskiy and see Zubov-level skills or he wouldn't have been traded
I’m willing to take his word on that without getting too stressed. Lehtonen was probably not tops on Nieuwendyk’s wish list, but given very little room to maneuver, it could be a brilliant gamble. I hope that’s the case.
It will work out....
This trade will be viewed in the future as a push or a win for us at worst. Both of theses guys have potential and skills. But so far Lehtonen has shown that he can perform when healthy, Vish has not at the NHL level. I know he has had limited exposure. But that shouldnt matter because if a potential good goalie or good defenseman is available ithe goalie should be had everytime. Lets face it goalies are harder to find than defencemen.
by v0mitus on Feb 10, 2010 12:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions
My problem
My problem is less about talent and more about finances. The Stars are now working on a 45m budget and will so for as long as Hicks owns the team (which we can all agree is hopefully not for long). When distributing rare resources, cash, you need the best allocation of resources – and that doesn’t include paying Lehtonen 3+m next season. Vish is a cheap good young defensement with a minimal cap hit while Lehtonen is an expensive injury prone, unknown entity. If the Stars were able to spend a bunch, I wouldn’t have a problem with this deal, but they aren’t.
4-5 million comes off next year with Turks and Auld hitting UFA
That give some wiggle room in The budget. Provided Hicks doesn’t change the internal budget
by v0mitus on Feb 10, 2010 12:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And Lehtonene can't command 3+ million with his injury history...they can sign him for 2.5 to 2.75
by 5PointPuckism on Feb 10, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
No
He’s a RFA from what I understand the qualifying offer is 3m. Regardless, they still have to sign a back up goalie (another mil) so you aren’t really saving any money and you get less certainty with the real possibility of having to pay more money for goalies because of his injury history.
He'll join the team in Phoenix
But most likely, he won’t be on ice until after the Olympic break.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 10, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
"visibly upset after learning about the trade"
That absolutely kills me. I wish he could stay for at least another year, giving Lehtonen time to im/prove his health. Auld starting most of next year is not progress. Is there any scenario/precedent in which Turco could take a massive pay cut to play more and retire with the Stars? Even for someone who isn’t about the money, he’d really be selling himself short to fit into the payroll, and that’s if Nieuwendyk would consider it.
I Doubt It
It would be a very rare thing if he did.
by Mister Naxal on Feb 10, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Me, too
It just bothers me. After all that Marty’s done for this organization, there just seems to be something….I don’t know how to describe it. He deserves better than this. Perhaps Joe realized that when he got on the phone to Marty after the game. It seems they can’t wait to shove him out the door.
Unfortunately, there's a business side to all of this.
The Stars can’t keep hanging on to players because they’ve been with the team for a long time, or the sentimental feelings they have with teams. They kept Lehtinen for a certain price, but made the tough decision to move on without Zubov.
How are the Stars supposed to handle Turco? They can’t afford a big salary next season, and at some point they need to move on. But they cannot wait until the very last second to get a new goaltender; you have to take advantage of getting a future goaltender who has the potential to be elite when you have the chance.
That’s just the unfortunate nature of it all.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 10, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Because if they wait until the last second again...
they’ll miss out on the Andersons that are out there like last summer…
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Feb 10, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
If he was truly visibly upset, that says a lot, and not in a good way. He didn’t see this coming? And I’m not just talking reading blogs and comments, but with his play and where the team is, is he really surprised?
This is what has bothered me most about Turco since coming to this team with the Brad Richards trade: he seems kind of clueless, or worse, arrogant. It look 3 months of last season for him to even really say “I need to play better.” It was always someone else fault. The D are young; Zubov is hurt; Sean Avery is a distraction. All of which may have been true, but doesn’t change the fact that his bad play was an equal part of the down turn.
I realize I’m not as sympathetic to him because I knew never him in his heyday, and I certainly understand the emotional attachment. But I do hope that the fans are able to give Lehtonen a bit more “welcome to the team” than B-Rad got at first.
I've been with this team since they moved to dallas
let me just say Turco’s got no one to blame but himself on this. Had he played better this wouldn’t be happening. Had he not demanded absurd money this might not be happening, but those two rest on him and getting all hurt and indigent is just another nail in his coffin. He can whine and moan elsewhere. I just grateful I can watch some other team on center ice be dismayed by his poor play.
Who said he demanded absurd money?
And who said he is whining and moaning? Have you read his comments on the situation today?
These are the rumors I've heard
Over 3 million for multiple years is absurd money for a declining goaltender.
As for the whining and moaning you don’t remember all the problems with Avery last year? The failure to acknowledge his own poor play? The complete inability to say hey I’m partially to blame?
I’m sure it is tough for him but at the end of the day he, more than anyone, controlled his destiny. Perhaps if he had been better at the job that paid him to be a top ten goaltender he wouldn’t be on his way out the door. Performance matters and he’s failed for the last two years.
Necessity vs. Nostalgia
Agree 100%. This is such a crap situation to be in, but it’s one that, in my estimation, the Stars have done a poor job of dealing with these last few years.
They haven’t been in a financial situation for several years now where they can afford the cost of nostalgia. It sucks, but that’s the facts.
by Mister Naxal on Feb 10, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Contract
Obviously an incentive laden contract would be ideal for signing Lehtonen to an extension. Something like a base salary of 2mil with performance bonuses* (games played, shutouts, etc.) that escalate up to 3.5mil would be beneficial. The question is would he sign for a 2mil base salary? How long do we make the contract?
Re: Contract
Correct me if I am wrong, but as a RFA we must extend Lehtonen a qualifying offer equal to or greater than his current contract (since he is paid over 1 million per year). If he made less we would actually have to offer him a raise per the CBA.
110% of the final year salary. I am not sure if that is affected by his time spent on the IR, I would like to think it does though. But I think you make the qualifying offer difficult for him to accept let get past july.1st If there are any offer sheets you are going to get compensation. Otherwise you get him at a value price below what his current qualifying offer requires.
“A team must extend a “qualifying offer” to its restricted free agent to retain negotiating rights to that player. Players making less than $660,000 must be offered 110 percent of last season’s salary. Players making up to $1 million must be offered 105 percent. Players making over $1 million must be offered 100 percent. Under the previous deal, qualifying offers had to be at least 100 percent of the previous year’s salary, with 10 percent raises due to many players."
And about Smith...
As mentioned, some people around Dallas still bemoan the Richards trade partly because of the lose of Smith. But really, emotion aside, he’s not even the clear starter in Tampa Bay. And mostly because his health is questionable (lots of concussions in his history, and that is scary— for him and team). He wouldn’t have been the answer here unless the team really did plan on going equal tandem a la Montreal. But with salaries and caps and everything, that’s pretty much unheard of today.
There are a ton of tandems out there; Boston, Washington, Anaheim until recently, etc. but the only way that works is with a veteran guy who is making the money and is for all intents and purposes the No.1 and your future goalie who is still on his entry level contract. Having Smith we still be in the same boat as now with a younger guy with health issues and an older guy who is faltering. But in the situation we have now we have Brad Richards…I know which team I am picking.
Those B-Rad haters always bothered me. I thought it was a good trade when it happened, even though I was slightly in denial over Jussi Jokinen going, and obviously I still like the trade now. Smith’s not much anymore.
With Kari Lehtonen, we just need to give it time. Who knows? He could someday be as valuable as B-Rad is to the Stars…
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Feb 11, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
I say it's a win for us.
I’ll say again, I didn’t see all that much of Vishnevsky’s play, what I did see was just another Daley. Hyped up as an offensive dman, which meant he was a d-man with speed and a propensity for coughing up the puck.
Seriously, I was much more impressed this year by Maxime’s play. His patience and positioning is what the the team seems to need to succeed right now, not another D-man who’s a liability in our zone. Maybe Vishnevsky will prove me wrong, but my gut feel on him is the same as Harvey, Daley or Miettenen or Kapanen. Overhyped pieces from a time when our cupboards where bare of prospects. Vishnevsky just doesn’t tingle my spidey senses like Morrow or Neal did, definitely not like Benn, not even as much as Hagman.
Heck, maybe money is coming from the Nieuwy’s pocket, I dunno. I’d love to see a Turco/Lehtonen battle come next season, with Turks taking a 1M incentive laden contract (not games played, but SO, SV based) and Lehtonen taking a minimum offer with incentives based on GP and SO. That’d free up a couple M from our current situation to be able to throw at Neal.
But we’ve got way too many future players going UFA/RFA on us to allow us to afford that much money in goaltending next year. And I’m not sure Marty’s head is in the right place for that deal to make sense to him.
Harvey?
You mean Todd Harvey?
Talk about a blast from the past…
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 10, 2010 11:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, good ol' Todd.
The bleakest season in Stars history. We didn’t make the playoffs,and the highlight of the year was our GM/Coach giving up the coaching duties (still huge props to Bob for that, smartest, strongest leadership move evaaaaah), Harvey and Churla were promoted as our attractions (Well of course along with Mike!).
Best thing Harvey ever did was an awesome midice hit that he converted into a one-armed piledriver. I was at the game, but I cannot remember our opponent (maybe SJ?), just the awesome visual of Harvey smashing into someone … and then inverting him and boom!
Pretty sure we lost the game on the scoreboard, but I counted it a win
by Waywardstars on Feb 11, 2010 1:24 AM CST up reply actions
Haha.
My dad has a Todd Harvey autographed hat. I know that’s random, but I just remembered that…
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Feb 11, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions

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