Dallas Stars Pre-Season: What Have We Learned?
We've been blathering on about how one must take pre-season results and trends with a grain of salt for two weeks now, all the while delving into it as deeply as one can because let's face it: What else do we have to do?
How much emphasis do you put on pre-season? If you examine the Dallas Stars pre-season records over the last ten years they seem to (loosely) foretell the caliber of the team. The teams of 10 years ago had pretty good pre-seasons. The last two teams had sub .500 exhibition results. This year they went 3-2-1. Should we start making predictions from that? No. Probably not, but we're a little closer to understanding how well this thing is put together. Let's see how what we thought we knew is stacking up against what we've seen. (Or listened to on "Cruisin' Oldies" against the Avalanche.)
What we thought we knew: "Kari Lehtonen has a high ceiling but is a little fragile."
What we've observed: Lehtonen has seen action in three games totaling 8 periods of play. He has stopped 75 of 77 shots he's seen and had a clean sheet on Saturday night before being replaced by Raycroft. His numbers are stellar, he looks calm and relaxed. His conditioning is far superior to what it was when he started playing for the Stars last March. He also had a slight groin problem already and missed a scheduled start in favor of resting.
So that seems right on par. If he stays healthy his ceiling does still indeed appear quite high.
What we thought we knew: "The Dallas Stars, in returning the same defense from a season ago, will struggle to protect Lehtonen the same way they did Turco last year."
What we've observed in the pre-season: The jury's still out on this one. Lehtonen saw less than 10 shots a period in pre-season (always a good thing) and the penalty kill so far has been greatly improved in front of him. (Dallas killed 31 of 34 power plays in the pre-season.) We did not see all six NHL defensemen in a game (that I recall) and the team lost both road games, an area of great consternation last season. Things seem better so far but I'm not willing to change my mind on this quite yet.
What we thought we knew: The Brenden Morrow of 2008 has not come back and some of the more hasty fans (you know who you are) were wondering if Steve Ott is poised to take over that Morrow-like role.
What we've observed: Not true at all. Morrow has been a beast in pre-season play, putting an exclamation point on it in his last game against the Avs: A goal, an assist and a fight. (They called it roughing, but it was a fight.) It was his second multi point game and he's showed great chemistry with Burish and Ribeiro. Put this one in the win column for now. Brenden Morrow has me excited for the start of the season.
What we thought we knew: "Mike Ribeiro was nearly traded over draft weekend and some felt his style of play is a mismatch for this team making him a bit of a question mark."
What we've observed...
Mike Ribeiro entered camp in the best shape of his life. He added muscle and has made a commitment to being a more positive presence around the team and a greater leader in the room. He has chatted with Marc Crawford and Joe Nieuwendyk about his role on the team and feels good about the season. Any negativity or hard feelings that might have been present have not been evident to me. I've seen him in the locker room...He looks happy.
As for "does he fit with this style of play?" ... I think Ribs and Morrow have struck a comfortable balance between what they "do" and what coach wants the team as a whole to do. Will that translate to Friday against the Devils and beyond? That's the question.
Ribeiro even wore the "C" on Saturday night in Brendens absence and apparently it was an honor bestowed upon him by this teammates. Everything is A-OK in Ribeiro land right now.
What we thought we knew: "The ownership situation would be resolved or at least much further along by the start of the regular season."
What we've observed: Not so much.
Our dreams were supposed to be coming true by now. Gallacher or Gaglardi were supposed to have purchased the team and a trade that takes on a little salary was supposed to be in the not to distant future for some defensive help. Instead we've had Gallacher pull out and we've learned that the lenders have enough cash to run the team this year and they're perfectly content to just sit an wait for more bidders. They want the price to go up. We're wondering how the value will increase if no one's going to do anything about the talent.
So in this case we were wrong. Dead wrong. Instead of saying that this won't be as "hard as the Rangers sale", maybe imitating the Rangers (storybook year ending in division title PLUS the awful sale ordeal) wouldn't be so bad.
What we thought we knew: "Jere Lehtinen will probably come back, but even if he doesn't we'll know something by the start of camp."
What we've observed: No one knows what the heck Jere is thinking. I've spoken with people in Frisco and they say that he has barely skated at all but keeps himself in such good shape that a return wouldn't be a major undertaking. He's enjoying being home with his family. He seems retired, but won't make it official.
Don't rule out a mid-season return, particularly if the right injuries make it a little more prudent. Right now I wouldn't know where to put him in the lineup. Perhaps with Benn and Ott?
What we thought we knew: The opening night roster as far back as July 2nd.
What we've observed since: Yeah, we were pretty bang on with that one, but it wasn't without a little bit of drama along the way. While were hoping to see a big camps out of Scott Glennie and Jonathan Cheechoo, and maybe a little noise from Jack Campbell, what we actually saw was a completely different group of hopefuls impress.
Severin Blindenbacher, Aaron Gagnon, Tomas Vincour and Philip Larsen all showed something this pre-season and the future looks bright for these four even though they were all assigned to the AHL Texas Stars yesterday.
The forward grouping (minus Modano, plus Burish) and the defensive grouping (same, same) is what we've thought it to be for the last three months. Improvement will not come from personnel changes. It will come with better execution and a little bit of heart.
What we thought we knew: Defending Big D readers are awesome.
What we've observed since: Yep! DBD surpassed 1,000,000 page views last month and our page views (and more importantly the excellent conversation with everyone) just keeps getting better. Thank you for stopping by and making your voices heard. It's going to be a fun season here no matter what happens on ice.
Oh and let's not forget the most important thing we've learned... How to pronounce Vincour's last name. VIHN-tsoh-oor (or just VIN-SOOR, if you like.)
It's not Vin-koor, you Blues and Avs play by play guys.
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Consider the Stars are neck and neck with 3-4 other teams from 7-11 jockeying for a playoff spot.
The Stars call a press conference before the all star break ends and announce Jere Lehtinen has been signed and will finish the season with Dallas. New energy, surely a better special teams unit, lots of playoff experience, and a nice showdown when we get a first round match up against Mike and Detroit.
One of the last Matt Niskanen supporters in Dallas....
i was just thinking
about how its been a slow week of news. thanks to articles like this, theyre completely bearable. great articel. keep it up itl hit 2 mil in no time (:
GET OFF NIEUWENDYK'S NUTS
In the wake of losing Marty, Mike, and Jere
Im still as excited as I’ve ever been for the start of the Stars season. Kari excites me this season, and I expect great things from Jamie Benn. He’s quickly becoming by favorite player on this team.
I predict a 7th spot finish in the west.
Texas Rangers- You hang 'em, we bang 'em!
Love the comparision to expectations from
just a month or two ago. Spot on. Though I would have said a lot of my expectation for team improvement would simply come from the maturation of our youngsters, esp on Defense but also on Offense. But I guess that is pretty much the same thing as improved execution.
Really looking forward to the season. Not expecting a huge jump in the standings but looking forward to how the young guys grow and respond. My best case is to make the playoffs and give those guys a chance to see what the playoffs are like when you are a key player. I remain confident that by building a strong base, whenever new ownership comes in that we will still be just a couple of players from truly competing.
Biggest concern … Brad Richards contract situation, which is squarely on the ownership situation.
Relatively new to Defending Big D but...
this has become by far my favorite Stars outlet. You guys do a great job of well thought out posts and the fan replies are equally as interesting and relevant. Great work y’all!
Now that the kiss ass is out of the way…
I agree on all points although one thing that I think has blown by with very little notice has been the preseason play of everyone’s (myself included) favorite whipping boy Matt Niskanen.
From what I have gleaned he has had a solid camp and preseason. He has been playing tougher and, hell, he assisted on all 3 goals in the final game in St. Louis.
Now whether that translates to the regular season or not remains to be seen but it is encouraging to say the least.
I'll give the Nisky lovers the last game
Obviously that was good.
The FIRST game when he played with Trevor Daley….oh boy. That was not good.
I actually thought Trevor Daley had a real nice game on the 30th at home against the Avs.
We’d all love to see improvement from Niskanen. We don’t hate on him because we don’t want him to succeed. We’re just a little…skeptical ;)
by Brad Gardner on Oct 5, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
And thanks very much for the kind words
We’re very happy to have you.
Come by for a game thread on the weekend…it’s going to be fun.
by Brad Gardner on Oct 5, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm Most Excited About Lehtonen & Morrow
To many times last year the opposing team would have an odd man rush or a break away and I would already count it as a goal. So far he looks like the guy that can stop those and build up some confidence for the team. Then Morrow has kinda looked like he lost that competitive drive after his two big injuries. The talk about him playing soft so he wouldn’t be injured for the Olympics didn’t help either. But he looks rejuvenated. Maybe him and Riberio worked out together this summer and made some kind of deal. Whatever it is, this preseason he has looked like the captain that took over this. I can’t wait for the 14th!
by DTCBob on Oct 5, 2010 10:48 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
my real problem with Brenden last year...
was that those odd-man rushes you are talking about seemed to be most often caused by blind, behind the back passes to no one in particular in the slot. More often than not Brenden was guilty of that. Not sure why this was but it used to infuriate me to no end. Did anyone else notice a lot of that going on last season or am I the only one?
That and not being able to clear the defensive zone drove me bat-s*** loco. How many times did we have to endure hearing Ralphie say “(insert player name here) to the line, not out”?
Brenden and Ribs both....they love those no-look passes to no one (at least no one wearing our colors).
And the defense as a whole drives me nuts, whether they are not getting the puck out or are bumping it into our own net.
I like what I’ve seen from Kari, but if the defense doesn’t shore up, pucks are going to get through. Even 100% healthy, he cannot stand on his head 100% of the time. How about helping him out a little, guys? It really was miracle we pulled out that Avs game Thursday night since we spent most of it in our own zone – Ralph/Razor even mentioned about a minute and a half/two minutes into the third that we hadn’t made it out of our zone in two straight shifts.
Yeah And Nisky
Last year he just looked like he wanted to get rid of the puck every time he touched it. He would just fling it someplace. Doesnt matter if somebody is there or not. Also didnt even seem to matter if he could see where he is chunking it or not.
Regardless of what happens this season
I know the next 2-5 years for the Stars is bright.
Its funny
ESPN the Mag had its NHL preview a couple weeks ago. It said that the Stars were too old and have “passed their window.” I didn’t get it because I thought the team was fairly young with Modano and Jere leaving. I guess ESPN is probably the least credible hockey source.
Texas Rangers- You hang 'em, we bang 'em!
The national ESPN maybe
ESPN Dallas (Mark Stepneski) is awesome, of course.
But even Bristol has a couple of good hockey guys. Whoever wrote that article must have been a little out of touch. I don’t blame them…there aren’t many humans who intimately know the “state” of all 30 teams.
I couldn’t tell you a damn thing about anyone in the East myself.
by Brad Gardner on Oct 5, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I just want to say
Thanks for the continuously great and civil posts. This is my favorite hockey-related blog, aside from Down Goes Brown. Definitely not the homerific junk you see on other sites.
Still looking for Sexy Fridays though. :P
As long as the DBD ladies can get an occasional photo of a hockey player in a suit.
I do love a man in a suit.
Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.
by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Oct 5, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
So you handle the men
And I’ll handle the women? :P
LILJA not getting a contract with san jose
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=336390
Texas Rangers- You hang 'em, we bang 'em!
Holding judgement on Nisky
I agree that Nisky looked a little shaky that first game, but he showed flashes of improvement. He seems to have gotten better over the next few games. If he could be the puck-moving Dman the Stars desperately need and throw in some offense, that would be huge. I believe ( and so do the Stars) that the talent is there, he needs confidence. Perhaps last year could be written off as the year he should have been in the AHL and now he’s NHL ready. He seems to know he needs to be better and worked over the summer to improve his game. We can only hope it paid off.
After watching his interview with Ralph in PEI
I wasn’t surprised at all to see he’s pretty soft spoken – which has been exactly like his game on the ice.
I’d cheer for the guy endlessly if he would consistently muscle some people, hold his own and make confident decisions with the puck.
He did get a boarding penalty
In game 1 or 2 of the preseason…so he is showing some physicality.
Board Is Kinda Like Sucker Pucking To Me
If the only way you can hit a guy is when he cant see you, thats not good.
Was it a 2 min or 5 min?
There’s a big difference between popping a guy on purpose when he’s not looking and hitting someone and timing it wrong.
Ahh the good ole days when it was your own fault if you didn’t keep your head up.
Wasnt Refering Directly to Niskys
Was just saying that boarding isnt really a good show a physicality
I’m with you on this, at the end of last season I was about done with Niskanen, I thought he had to go…then they gave him an extension. So I guess I’m giving him another chance to show he can play as a top 4 defensmen in the NHL….but THIS is the last chance.






























