Stars Make Losing Ugly Look Ok In A Close 5-4 Loss To Tampa
If you just saw the score, just the score of this game and not the expanded boxscore or the game itself, you'd see a 5-4 Dallas Stars loss to the Tampa Bay Lightning tonight and think to yourself: "Huh, that's not so bad..."
If that is all you saw then I am here to tell you it was worse than that, much, much worse. Remember the Islanders game where the Stars gave up a lead and then gave up three power play goals? It was like that, only worse.
That's three usages of the word "worse" in the span of three sentences. That somehow doesn't convey how bad this game really felt. I just looked in a thesaurus to find words like "worse" and found the word "slipshod" ... yeah, that about sums it up nicely.
Four power play goals against out of five times shorthanded. Outshot 44-19 which included a 20-3 difference in the second period. This game wasn't as close as the final score would indicate. The Stars were pretty much outplayed in every aspect of this game, and yet managed to keep it close by virtue of a still present decent work ethic, so they have that going for them. They also had the shaky resolve of Mike Smith in the net whom every time I see him work in goal makes me think the Stars completely got the better end of the Brad Richards trade even if some of us still miss Jussi Jokinen.
Toby Petersen, Adam Burish, Brenden Morrow and James Neal had your four Dallas Stars goals.
Look, we knew that the Stars wern't going to go 82-0 this season. We also knew that the odd bad game would rear it's ugly head with this team as it does all NHL teams. But this penalty kill issue that the Stars have is really starting to become a huge... uhh...
*Looks in thesaurus for another snazzy synonym for the word: predicament*
Ahh yes...
It's starting to become a huge mess!
A few more thoughts on the game after the jump..
- Amazingly - and I really don't ever recall seeing this before in a game - a lot of Stars were in the plus category of plus minus while a lot of Lightning players were in the minus side including Dominic Moore who had two goals and yet was a -1! Crazy...
- Mike Ribeiro added two assists in the game, Brad Richards also had a helper.
- The Stars did take care of the puck a little better in this game than they had in previous efforts, though I do feel the scorekeeper in Tampa must have been feeling generous because the Stars were only charged with five takeaways while the Lightning were credited with 9 takeaways. Not sure how one comes at such odd numbers...
- Ugly, lazy defense is starting to creep back into the Stars play. The Lightning had multiple second chance opportunities and in the second period, the score could have been much larger than the 4-2 tally it ended up as.
- How bad was the penalty kill tonight? Lets put it this way, we're going to be spending a lot of time over the next couple of days analyzing how bad it was tonight. We can only hope Marc Crawford and the coaching staff do the same. They were constantly chasing the puck, allowed more than a few multiple chances on goal, allowed Lightning players to crash the net constantly. Never was the Stars lack of a shut-down defenseman more apparent than on the penalty kill tonight.
- The power play wasn't much better for the Stars going 0 for 5 and only generated four shots in total.
- Kari Lehtonen wasn't great, but then it's hard to look great when you're allowing five goals in a game and it's hard not to give up that many goals when you face 40+ shots for the third time in five games and your team plays as soft as they did in front of him when down a man. I'm not suggesting that he in any way was the reason the Stars lost tonight although in some cases it would be nice to see him stay upright a little more on some of those Lightning scoring chances...
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I'm going to start calling them the Good Karma Stars.
They were AWFUL…yet they only list by one goal.
Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.
by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Oct 18, 2010 9:11 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
*lost
Bad grammar, sorry.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Oct 18, 2010 9:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
PK= Pepper Kari
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Uhm...no.
5-4, Tampa Bay. We were awful.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Oct 18, 2010 9:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
These guys have to realize how important Kari is
You can’t allow him to continually face 35-40 shots a game. The defense has to take pride in what tey do, and they just aren’t right now. This game probably depletes most of the confidence they have built over the past few weeks.
One of the last Matt Niskanen supporters in Dallas....
Terrible
First game I got to watch live, and I don’t see how they were undefeated.
Sloppy, and mostly outright terrible.
Yeah, go Rangers basically
I’ll say this. The special teams were awful. Awful. Pitiful. Terrible. Atrocious. Just…bad.
That said, the team speed of TB forced the Stars into all those penalties, meaning the 5 on 5 was bad as well. The whole thing was just so hard to watch.
It’s the same old song. Teams that aggressively attack the Stars with speed will be rewarded. This is a slow team.
5 penalties in a game isn't really all that bad though.
It’s usually 4-5 to a side every night. But it does seem like half of the penalties called on the Stars so far are completely needless ones.
The Stars will have a 3 game win streak within their first 6 games. Mark my words!
Do you think maybe..
A lack of effort is due to a little bit of complacency because of stellar play by Kari, or maybe the success of the offense. I know thats probably a reach but I got nothing else? I hope Crawford uses a little bit of that fire he used to display in his coaching skate them hard reinforce there are no “easy” games in this league. And given the record the last 2 years there have no reason to be getting complacent.
Not really.
We’ve known for a while this defense isn’t very good, and the rest of the league knows it as well. If they have any shot of making the playoffs, the defensemen have to just step up.
Lack of effort?
I think they were trying their butts off. They just weren’t good enough.
by Brad Gardner on Oct 19, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Is their an easy way to see how the Stars compare to the NHL for average penalties per game?
The Stars will have a 3 game win streak within their first 6 games. Mark my words!
oops... posted this in the wrong spot.
The Stars will have a 3 game win streak within their first 6 games. Mark my words!
The only thing that made this tolerable...
was watching the Toronto Maple Leafs game simultaneously.
Golf Leafs Golf!
I know the save percentage doesn't directly show it...
…but I still think Kari Lehtonen did a great job, considering that he got no support from anyone on defense.
4 of the 5 Lightning goals were on the power play — that’s an awful stat in itself, and even worse when you consider that the PK was 20% through the night. However, power play shots are usually higher-quality than the norm, especially against a team with miserable defense like the Stars, and Lehtonen was just as stellar against all the even-strength shots as he usually is — 33 saves on 34 shots, which would easily qualify as elite in any other situation.
And then, in the other games, Kari’s been very good at stopping power play shots — 90% in the game against the Blues, 85% against the Red Wings, and 81.25% against 16 power play shots against the Islanders. In all of these games he faced a ton of shots, and stopped most of the even strength attacks.
I don’t think it’s really fair to Lehtonen to say that he wasn’t great — he played just as well even-strength as he did in any of the other games, maybe even better, and it takes more than an elite goalie to have a great penalty kill. This team’s skaters have some real problems that extend beyond our goalie’s abilities.
Fun Stat Of The Night: Kari Lehtonen has the best even-strength save percentage of all goalies that’ve faced more than 100 shots this season, with a save percentage of .965! The three next-best goalies are Jonas Hiller, Chris Mason, and Craig Anderson (not necessarily in that order).
And a fun comparison: Lehtonen has faced more even-strength shots than Brodeur, and let in less goals, in one less game.
Good Job..
Makes you feel a little bit better when you look at it like that!
I don't miss Jussi Jokinen?!
First of all I disagree with Mr. Middleton, that someone misses Jussi Jokinen? I always saw the trade for Brad Richards as a big WIN for the Stars organization – although I thought back than Modano would leave the game 1-2 seasons earlier.
It was somehow just an awful game tonight. The shot total is scaring me, the PK was non-existing tonight. Let’s hope the 3 day break helps them! By the way: When is Andrew Raycroft getting a start so he doesn’t get rusty (like Stephan 2 seasons ago)? I’m again scared if he gets peppered by 40+ shots!
by Alex from Germany on Oct 19, 2010 6:47 AM CDT reply actions
Let's just hope they get that PK figued out before the next game...
And now that we’ve lost one, I fully expect Raycroft to start on Thursday. I don’t know what the numbers are, but it really seems like we are DOMINATING at even strength. It’s the special teams that is causing us all this trouble.
If we go 5 for 5 tonight, you’re looking at a 4-1 win… that’s a horrifying thought.
The Stars will have a 3 game win streak within their first 6 games. Mark my words!
Also, when you read the word "DOMINATING"
Use the quake/unreal tournament voice over.
The Stars will have a 3 game win streak within their first 6 games. Mark my words!
Raycroft already?
I don’t know…unless Kari was hurt in the game or is really that tired. I wouldn’t personally put him in yet. Kari actually made some pretty great saves here and there, even though he was totally out of position on a couple of the goals on the PK.
The Quake voice-over reference reminded me of another FPS game called Blood. They had a voice over that would say “Anal Vengeance” when you used a particular weapon. That would seem to apply to the Stars’ PK right now. :P
Raycroft needs some playing time
regardless of how Kari’s been playing. 4 weeks is too long for a goalie not to play. Besides, he needs a break after being peppered with 45 shots a game. Let’s let a less stellar goalie go in and try and do the same. If we get slaughtered then, maybe it will really drive the point home that this defense needs to get things together.
The Stars will have a 3 game win streak within their first 6 games. Mark my words!
Hockey IQ
The Stars D Corp look like NHL defensemen. Maybe the problem is below NHL average Hockey IQ. Over the long run, hard work and effort cannot compensate for a Hockey IQ “gap.” It will take money to upgrade the Hockey IQ and skill level of the Stars D Corp, not “experience.” That is why it will be a frustrating season for Stars’ fans.
Art, you never answered one question from last night...
Did you, in fact, finish the KFC Doubledown?
The Stars will have a 3 game win streak within their first 6 games. Mark my words!
Craig Ludwig was right
during the post game show he said that the main thing missing from this defense is the territorial aggressiveness that you have to have around your net.
5 on 5 they have not been bad. They have been playing pretty good team defense as well. I have been very encouraged how well they have been swarming the other team as they try to enter the star’s zone. Forwards coming back to support and very good poke checking to cause turn overs. This has been a strong positve in every game I have seen.
That said, the PK was attrocious. The one slapper from the point that went off of Downie’s ass and in, while flukie could have been prevented with strong boxing out. This defense is not strong enough in their defense around the crease. Teams are getting 2nd and 3rd opportunities right on Kari’s lap. If you have a “throw your weight around” kind of defenseman mentality around the crease then you could cut down on easily a third of those shots against last night. Furthermore, alot of those cross ice tap in’s don’t go in because you are positionally strong and boxing out.
But I am pleased that our offense continues to hit the 4 goal mark. Even with an extremely poor defensive showing we can put the puck in the net. I think the defense is correctable. Maybe through coaching and practice, maybe through trades (Sell Tom SELL!). But Razor’s 2 of 3 theory is in place in our offensive prowess and goaltending. We don’t need our defense to be stellar just solid and not allowing multiple chances 2 feet from the net.
I think a trade or two can be pulled off even without new ownership. Think Mattias Nordstrom type player. Move Nisky or maybe even Daley, package in a Brunnstrom if necessary. The Elite offensive defenseman piece can wait for new ownership in my opinion because this team has enough offensive firepower for the time being.
"The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse who gets the cheese" - Daryl "Razor" Reaugh
I agree with your assessment except for that last tiny part :)
I didn’t see the game last night but I think Ludwig is right on and good on you for pointing it out. They just have been letting too many rebound shots in close after the initial slapper while on the PK. Kari has had to be way better than what should be necessary. Years ago when we had good defensive presence that wasn’t happening. The opponent might get the initial shot in but there always seemed to be a Star around to keep the others from getting to the rebound. That definitely needs to change.
The trade thing though I think is rather optimistic. Even if we did trade Nisky or Daley, Brunnstrom isn’t worth jack right now. No one would even claim him at $625. From what I’ve been reading, it seems like someone might try to snag him on re-entry and split the bill but I don’t know if the Stars want to go that way. Either way I don’t think that even if you threw all three of them together in a deal for one D-guy that you’d get the kind of caliber you’re looking for. On top of it all Joe just paid Nisky so I don’t think he’s looking to trade him or anyone else till this ownership thing gets done. Our D are young but teachable. I feel like they have, at times, looked improved 5 on 5 and the forwards defensive play (Richards for ex. has made some impressive defensive plays and he’s not alone) have played better in our own end at even strength. It’s that presence on the PK that’s the problem. I don’t think it requires another player that we have no way of getting. They have to figure out a way to fix what we have.
As a rattled Stephane Robidas searched the ice near the Stars bench for his mouth guard a smart-ass teammate suggested he check the stands. -- Razor
I agree with you
that our young guys are teachable. Grossman and Fistric will be those guys but they are still in the learning curve more or less
I disagree that I don’t think a trade will be as difficult as you think. I’m not talking about trying to get a Dan Boyle, Phaneuf or Bouwmeester type even though we could use one of those type of players and it will be more easily obtained with new ownership.
I’m talking more more of a stay home defensive defenseman that can clear the crease.
Every championship team has that type of guy. Seabrook and Boynton in CHI, Rafalski Kronwall in DET, Orpik and Scuderi in PIT, Hell even a Matvichuk,Ludwig, Chambers like back in the day with the Stars.
Teams that are in the middle to low end of the pack have these guys who battle night in and night out but through either sub-par goaltending or offense just cant overcome. Some of these teams could use D men with offensive upside or a prospect like Brunnstrom who could just use a change of scenery or system to bring out their potential. I might even consider someone with some serious sandpaper to their game like a Matt Carkner out of Ottawa or a Shane O’Brien now with Nash.
"The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse who gets the cheese" - Daryl "Razor" Reaugh
Why don't we start
With not having Daley “protect” the net by standing next to the opposition and gently pushing them? Seriously, he’s NOT the guy you want guarding your net. Or blocking shots.
He's not "pushing" them.
He’s giving them gentle back rubs, so as to relax them.
The Stars will have a 3 game win streak within their first 6 games. Mark my words!
I was actually going to say the same thing
And thought that was a little too mean. But you’re probably right. :P
K-Lets Wasn't Great?
To even suggest that Kari wasn’t spectacular last night is borderline lunacy. One of the 5 goals was off the inside edge of an opponents skate, and the other was off the ass of another. How many shots on goal? Give me (him) a break. He was all over it.
He was out of position
On a couple of the goals. It’s more noticeable for him because he’s usually one of the best, positionally, in the league.
Why we should put Raycroft in...
Kari has seen way too many shots early on and I do think he can keep his play going if he starts the next few games. BUT, given his injury history and the absolute barrage he’s been under I think he deserves a rest just to make sure he’s fine and also to give him a little break. Having to stop 35-45 shots every night has to be tiring with all the butterflying and hopping up and all the butterflying and hopping up and all the absolutely bailing out your D. Also I think after last night his confidence might take a tiny hit because of the PK numbers and also how many saves he had to make only to lose while the Goaltender he had to face got out with a W while being pretty soft.
Also Raycroft is a decent goaltender, especially for a backup. He’s not a question mark like Tobias Stephan was a couple years ago. We all know he can go in there and do a decent job and maybe even win some games for us. We have to keep him un-rusty for when Kari needs a few games of rest at once.
Also the third reason may seem a bit morbid and wasteful to you guys. But, the Stars aren’t getting it done defensively, allowing that many shots a game is ridiculous and the only reason we’ve won games is that Kari has been able to make 35-40 saves on a consistent basis for us. Putting in a goaltender that potentially couldn’t do that would be a big wakeup to the Stars. If they allow Raycroft to get pelted and he doesn’t keep it as tight as Lehtonen has, it’ll show the Stars that they can’t keep doing this and there’s no way to be a competitive team over 82 games if they’re going to let other teams fire up the gatling guns on offense. Again, this might seem like a stupid waste of a potential win but this D-Corps and team in general needs to get the idea that they can’t keep playing like this if we don’t want to pull a Minnesota Wild disappearing act the rest of the season. (started 10-0, missed the playoffs)
Really like the analogy
Backstrom in Minnesota’s crease went from top 5 tender in every conversation to extremely porous. Ironic that the same thing affecting the Wild is facing the Stars.
Both teams were know for strong positional play and defensive system. Both teams changed coaches and went to an offensive minded system and both fell flat.
I absolutely agree with starting Raycroft against Florida.
The team made their point with Kari. He’s bad ass and this team can score and so they put the league on notice. Don’t burn him out and make the defense work their tails off in practice.
If Raycroft does his job and the team does it’s job great. If he bails the D out like Kari has, great!
If he gets hung out to dry and gets smoked because he is getting the same lack of support, perfect. Don’t get me wrong, I want us to win but if taking Kari out exposes how serious it really is then something can be done about it.
"The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse who gets the cheese" - Daryl "Razor" Reaugh
Exactly
Raycroft getting shelled and us getting blown out could be a bit of an awakening. Remember int he 07-08 season how we were about a .500 team for the first 2 months or so? Well I remember a game against the kings where we were up 4-0 going into the 3rd and lost 5-4 in the shootout, back when the kings sucked. At the time I groaned and wanted to go to sleep until the end of the season, but from that point on Armstrong got fired, the team turned it around and went on an amazing run to the Conference Final against detroit. While a bad loss won’t get an ownership or coaching change (and it shouldn’t) it will be a wakeup call to the team like giving up that 4 goal lead was to the 07-08 team. Sometimes an awful game can be the best thing for a team

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