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Stargazing: Dallas Stars Remain Unbeaten, Red Wings Call Fistric Hit "Dirty"

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For nearly two years now we've been saying to ourselves over and over "if only the Stars could find a way to win three in a row, then things might get turned around." The lack of an ability to get on any sort of roll the past two seasons has been a prime example of the team's overall inconsistency and the main reason why this team has failed to make the postseason since 2008.

Yet just three games into the season, the Dallas Stars are 3-0-0 and are playing with more confidence as each game progresses. There's still some concerns that need to be addressed -- this team is far from perfect -- but the Stars are proving that if they just play together and every player on the ice puts forth maximum effort, then anything is possible. It also helps to have a world class goaltender in net who is providing more stable netminding than the Stars have had in a long time. The Stars are once again confident in their goalie and it's showing in how they play the game.

Today in Stargazing, we take a look at Mike Modano's return to Dallas and how the Red Wings feel they were the recipient of a "cheap shot" by Mark Fistric.

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  • Jean-Jacques Taylor of the DMN was at the game last night and remarks how odd it is to see Mike Modano wearing red.
    He also says that other than Emmitt Smith, the Dallas area has been lucky in not having to see their beloved franchise players go elsewhere, which makes Modano's departure so painful to see. [DMN]
  • The Detroit Free Press covers the salute the home crowd gave #90, with Modano saying, "It's great to be back and see a lot of familiar faces and people." [Freep.com]
  • SBN's Winging It In Motown was impressed by the reception Modano received, although I doubt anyone was expecting to hear any boos from the crowd. They also cover how the Red Wings had one of the worst games in recent memory and the Stars capitalized on mistakes made by Nicklas Lidstrom and Niklas Kronwall. [WIIM]
  • Mark Stepneski gives his thoughts on the big win, saying that once again special teams were the big story. [ESPN Dallas]
  • Mike Heika says that Mike Modano will always been remembered fondly, yet it's Kari Lehtonen who truly represents a bright future for the Stars [DMN]

Notes on the game, courtesy of the Dallas Stars:

- With the victory tonight, the Stars have won three games in a row for the first time since January of 2009. Dallas won five straight games from 1/21/09 (4-1 W at Florida) to 2/3/09 (3-1 W vs. Calgary). The third victory in the five game wining streak was a 4-2 win at Detroit.

- The Stars are 9-0-3 in their last 12 home opening games.

- Dallas has won the last three games against Detroit and beat the Red Wings for the sixth consecutive time at American Airlines Center, the longest home winning streak against the Red Wings since taking four straight from 1990-91.

- The Stars are 7-2-0 against Detroit since the 2008-09 season.

-Brad Richards recorded two assists and one goal (1-2-3) and is now tied for the team-lead with 5 assists for the season. Over the last five games against Detroit, he has six assists and two goals (2-6-8). Richards has recorded multiple points in every game this season.

-Brenden Morrow added his fourth goal of the season tonight (1-0-1) and leads the team in goals.

-James Neal earned his first multiple point game along with his first goal of the season tonight against Detroit. (1-1-2)

-Mike Ribeiro added two assists and is now tied with Richards for the team-lead with 5 assists on the season (0-2-2). Ribeiro also has four assists in the last two games.

-Kari Lehtonen picked up his third win of the season. Lehtonen has stopped 95 of 103 shots this season (.922 SV%, 2.58 GAA) and is currently tied with Michal Neuvirth (Washington) for the most wins by a goalie in the 2010-11 season.

Finally, some controversy. Supposedly. Although it seems the only ones interested in creating the controversy is the Detroit Red Wings.

Early in the game Mark Fistric checked Johan Franzen with what appeared to be a relatively normal shoulder check. Franzen was turning into the check as it was made and appeared to duck his head down; he was sent flying back into the boards and left the game with what he himself is calling a concussion.

Anyone watching the game and who has watched the replay should see a shoulder that makes contact with Franzen's jaw. The Red Wings don't see it that way. Per Mlive.com:

Franzen said he believes Fistric should be suspended for cracking him in the nose with his elbow at 12:31 of the first period.

"Probably (he should be suspended), yeah, that’s the rules,’’ Franzen said. "It’s an elbow to the head.’’

Franzen was more candid, talking to the Detroit Free Press:

"He threw his elbow out there and hit me in the face," Franzen said. "It was right in the face, nose, jaw."

Mark Stepneski has more:

"I thought the hit on Franzen was an elbow, but the beauty of my situation, unlike the referees on the ice, I have video, so I get to look at it," Babcock told the Free Press. "The league deals with that stuff, not me."

Here's video of the play:

It's an unfortunate hit and you never like to see someone go down with a head injury. Yet this is as far from a "dirty hit" as you can get and I just don't see how anyone can determine an elbow was involved. I hope we don't hear about any suspension talk out of this, even with the NHL's crackdown on hits to the head.

What are your thoughts?

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I strolled on over to wingin it in motown this morning

and even those guys said it was a clean hit

The Stars will have a 3 game win streak within their first 6 games. Mark my words!

by Tsudbury on Oct 15, 2010 11:06 AM CDT reply actions  

That said

If the roles were reversed, Crow would be lobbying for a suspension as much as Babcock is here.

To us, is whining. To Red Wing fans, it’s just sticking up for your guy.

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by Brandon Bibb on Oct 15, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am not a Stars fan

but I am not trolling either. I like Fistric. He is a former Vancouver Giant.

But I am sorry. I have watched that replay a number of times. I have yet to see anything other than an elbow. It seems as clear as day to me that when Fistric realized he didn’t have Franzen lined up properly he stuck his elbow out. Not sure how long but I would think 1 game suspension would be justified. He didn’t get him with the point of his elbow, this is in no way similar to say what Bure did, but there is no way that is shoulder that is making contact. it is the side of his elbow and maybe some forearm.

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by Section 312 on Oct 15, 2010 11:13 AM CDT reply actions  

It's upper arm/ shoulder...

That’s not an “elbow”.

It also would have been fine if Franzen hadn’t ducked down into the hit at the last moment.

Did the arm stay tucked down, like it should? No…but it’s far from a dirty hit.

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by Brandon Worley on Oct 15, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have watched that replay 30 plus times

there is no point when Fistric’s should hits Franzen. The mid point of his arm hits him. I am not saying it is a vicious hit. I am not saying it is an “elbow” in the way we traditionally think of elbowing in the NHL. But it was the elbow area of the arm that makes contact. If you pause it at the 23 second mark you can see the moment of impact. Fistric’s shoulder is in no way making contact with Franzen’s face. The area of his arm where his elbow joint is located is where the contact is made.

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by Section 312 on Oct 15, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

In fact the more I watch it the more

it seems as though Fistric’s shoulder does make contact with Franzen on the follow through of the hit. So there is some shoulder involved but certainly not at the moment of impact.

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by Section 312 on Oct 15, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't see an elbow.

Still don’t see an elbow. Looks to me like Franzen turned into Fistric’s arm.

by Sugaa on Oct 15, 2010 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Franzen's last comment is right, as is Section 312

At 1:03 of the clip, you see Fistric throw the elbow out there (clearly headhunting), and seem to catch Franzen with the upper (and maybe lower – the arm is bent) arm to his head. Don’t care for headhunting in general, so I’m whining about this….

by grrgrr on Oct 15, 2010 11:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for signing up today and commenting

but you don’t really think he was “headhunting” do you? Especially when Franzen turned into it.

The Stars will have a 3 game win streak within their first 6 games. Mark my words!

by Tsudbury on Oct 15, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I’m not sure why that elbow/arm gets up other than a reaction by Fistic maybe to seeing he’s not landing the check squarely. I’m not claiming it’s suspendable by any means.

by grrgrr on Oct 15, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

it looked more to me like he was going in for a regular check

but when franzen changed position, he tried to adjust too. He’s not really that “dirty” kind of player. He should have kept his arm tucked in more, i definitely agree. But I think he was trying to go for the clean hit when Franzen turned into him. It made for an awkward collision. The worst thing about it definitely has to be when he hit his head on the way down. I’d say that did much more damage that Fistric.

The Stars will have a 3 game win streak within their first 6 games. Mark my words!

by Tsudbury on Oct 15, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I definitely don't think the hit was any more dirty than the hit on Benn against the Islanders

it was just an unfortunate thing that you don’t wish on anyone.

The Stars will have a 3 game win streak within their first 6 games. Mark my words!

by Tsudbury on Oct 15, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunte turn by Franzen

Absolutely no intent by Fistric. He could have anihilated him if he wanted to.

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by RealDealNeal on Oct 15, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wing's broadcast

generally thought the hit was clean and blamed Franzen for the turn back/stop which lowered his head. Later in the game they said it looked like a slight elbow, but a fairly clean check. Guess the next day brings out all of the other GMs.

by BrettB29 on Oct 15, 2010 11:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Winging it in Motown, NHL Network, and Wing's broadcasters all say it was a clean it.

So i’m not understanding the issue here.

The Stars will have a 3 game win streak within their first 6 games. Mark my words!

by Tsudbury on Oct 15, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's going to be a busy year in the NHL office

with video editors clicking away as much as DBD keyboards if some standards are not put in place. The “headshot debate” will pop up after every game and we can look forward to this kind of discourse every morning after.

I don’t wish harm on anyone, but watching the game I almost thought Fistric missed him and wondered why he was down. Yes, we can slow the video down and look for that angle that just catches the right moment – but is this how we are going to play hockey? How about keeping you head up and protecting yourself? In stopping and pivoting, Franzen shrinks to about 2/3 his size and any contact that would have ended up in the middle of his chest ends up on his chin. This does not look anything like some of the scary train wrecks that inspired the rule change.

by cC Dallas on Oct 15, 2010 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Nobody had Franzens back

Clean or dirty, one thing about the wings team is they never stick up for their players. How come nobody went after Fistric, even as a jump start for momentum? Shows lack of team toughness with Detroit, they have the talent for sure, but talent alone doesn’t win you the cup. All in all, I loved the physicality the defense showed against an aging wings team.

by darksidecowboy on Oct 15, 2010 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

because there’s no reason to go after someone for a clean hit. In fact, there’s an instigator for that.

by Casey Richey on Oct 15, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree completely.

There’s no need for retaliation. In fact, I would have less respect for the Wings if they had done that. We have enough issues as it is with teams going after players after clean hits.

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by Brandon Worley on Oct 15, 2010 12:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think they necessarily needed someone to go after Fistric there

But I do think there was a lack of that…aspect of things… for Detroit all night. Maybe they just don’t chirp and joust and whatnot and that’s not their style of play, but I think they could use some of it when they’re getting their asses kicked.

They showed very little fight I thought, in what should have been a more feisty third period.

by Brad Gardner on Oct 15, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

They’ve just been sad since the king of chirping, King Maltby, retired.

by Casey Richey on Oct 15, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re: Franzen and the hit

I do not think it was a dirty hit by any means. Yeah, the elbow is what seems to make contact with Franzen’s head BUT it was in no means intentional and Franzen’s moving was accountable for that.

BUT, I can also see where Franzen’s coming from as far as calling it a dirty hit. He has his head up looking for Bertuzzi or Filppula. The last thing he sees is Fistric’s elbow hitting him in the face so of course he’s going to call it an elbow, he did have the best view after all.

Anyway, I think no Wings fans are really calling for a suspension or anything and in fact, I’d be pretty pissed if there was one. I also think Franzen’s comments come as a bit of frustration from being injured again but hopefully he’ll be back pretty soon.

by Casey Richey on Oct 15, 2010 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

lol... that is true about Franzen's viewpoint.

And weren’t those comments from him directly after the game? He may not have had a chance to really look it over… either way, you make a good point about why he said what he said.

Based on the fine someone on another team was handed for a game last night, I’m sure word of a suspension would have been out by now.

The Stars will have a 3 game win streak within their first 6 games. Mark my words!

by Tsudbury on Oct 15, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think it was pretty much right after the game and for all we know he coulda had Chad Johnson Ochocinco concussed level of logic.

by Casey Richey on Oct 15, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stars fans and Wings fans discussing things casually...

Who woulda thought it?!

The Stars will have a 3 game win streak within their first 6 games. Mark my words!

by Tsudbury on Oct 15, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll have to look at the replay later

I was directly behind the corner where franzen was hit (14 rows or so up from the guys with the green and gold crazy hair hats) so i only saw it from the back but I was shocked he stayed down.

It looked like fistric barely touched him and the Mule went flying back like when actors have those suspension wires attached to them for movie effects and then poof! he was gone.

Hope he’s ok and can get back in soon because he is a great player for the wings but it was the craziest thing I’ve seen in a long time watching it from the back

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by Sylent Jay on Oct 15, 2010 2:56 PM CDT reply actions  

and as a follow up...

If Fistric had been head hunting there was plenty of room behind The Mule for him to have absolutely obliterated him through the glass.

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by Sylent Jay on Oct 15, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't see it either.

His upper arm did contact face area, but Franzen changed position. I didn’t think the hit on Benn was dirty and I don’t think this one was either.

by 1paniolo on Oct 15, 2010 3:18 PM CDT reply actions  

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