Breaking Down the State of the Dallas Stars; Present & Future
This was the toughest article I've ever had to write.
It wasn't supposed to be like this. This wasn't supposed to be how this season went, not with the team healthy and with a new coach and an enthusiastic and smart general manager taking over. Great things weren't expected, but improvement and progress were. I don't think any of us expected a Stanley Cup Finals team to suddenly appear, and we were prepared to back a team that would have it's ups and downs as it struggled under a new system and with a limited payroll.
Yet what we now have in front of us is a Dallas Stars team that has lost its heart and its will to fight. They don't believe in one another and it's painfully evident as each game progresses, and that is what has made being a fan of the Dallas Stars right now so tough. Many fans can deal with losses, with a down period as the team transitions from one era to the next. But to continue to watch a team that is having the life sucked out of it in front of our very eyes is demoralizing in ways Stars fans never thought imaginable.
It's easy to stick with a team when they're losing, especially if there are signs of hope for a better future. It makes dealing with the down times bearable, and it makes you as a fan feel even better when they come out on the other side and things are looking up again. It's nothing new to be a fan of a failing team that frustrates its fanbase to no end; this is just something that is completely new to fans of the Dallas Stars.
There are 18 games left between now and the Olympic break. The Stars then play one game before the March 3rd trade deadline. In those 19 games, if the Stars continue this path of building mediocrity and fall even further behind in the Western Conference standings, then expect for major changes to take place. There is a good chance that things start to happen even before the break.
After the break, I get into the fundamental issues facing the Dallas Stars and the paths the team might take on their road to recovery. There are many teams in the NHL that have lived with being mediocre for a long; the Dallas Stars and their fans should not be as content to just live without success and should demand more. That process starts now.
What is the reality of the situation?
This was not the best year for the Stars to struggle, and to struggle even worse than they did last season. At 47 points, the Stars sit in 10th place in the Western Conference, most of which is locked in a brutal battle for positioning from 1st all the way to 8th. For most of the year there hasn't been much difference between the 8th place team and the 10th, but over the past two weeks we've seen the pack start to pull away. The Stars are just six points behind Nashville, but if the Stars don't find a way to immediately solve the woes that plague them that number will continue to grow. In less than two weeks, the Stars could be facing a near insurmountable deficit between themselves and the playoff teams.
Yet it's not as if the Stars have completely imploded and at this point the team has not had more than three losses in a row. Yet the league-high eleven shootout and overtime losses both hurt them and help them at the same time, and are incredibly misleading about the true nature of this team. It's easy to play the 'what if' game, but let's say the Stars had won half of those shootouts and had not allowed several last-second game-tying goals. Then the Stars a this point would be around the 6th spot in the West and this would be nothing but a minor hiccup in a long season.
Yet those losses are part of the fabric of this team and speak to some of the underlying and concerning issues facing the Dallas Stars moving forward. We can talk about statistics and records and points until we're blue in the face, but the true nature of this team is more than apparent on the ice and how they play the game.
The lack of leadership is appalling. And that falls on Brenden Morrow.
On the post-game show after the loss to the New Jersey Devils, I became quite emotional when discussing Brenden Morrow and his leadership of the Stars. For the longest time, he was the heart and soul of this team and was the driving force behind propelling incredible comeback victories and an insanely magical run in the playoffs. Morrow is a quiet, unassuming type of guy off the ice and is a very down to earth guy. I've met him before and he was a very well spoken and gracious guy who took the time to talk to some adoring fans. He's not the sort of guy who is going to go into the locker room and kick some trash cans and yell at his teammates or give a big victory speech before a big game.
He leads through his actions on the ice. The way he would do the dirty work in the corners, would be the first to come to the aid of a teammate, how he made a living causing havoc in front of the net and would score goals with defensemen draped all over him. His grit, determination and never-give-up mentality is what made him the natural leader of the team and it's exactly why he's wearing the "C" on his chest right now.
Except that leadership is gone. Whether it's because he's still not fully recovered from his knee injury, whether it's a natural decline in abilities or whether he's just undergone a complete philosophy shift in how he plays the game, Brenden Morrow is no longer the player he used to be. During today's interview with Bob and Dan on The Ticket, Morrow stated that he contemplated really getting into it with Sean Avery and even dropping the gloves. Yet he said that "the prospect of getting injured or hurting my hand and missing the Olympics" outweighed his desire to teach that knucklehead a lesson.
And perhaps therein lies the problem. Perhaps one of the reasons we haven't seen Morrow be himself on the ice, to be the physical presence and the sparkplug for the team is that he's playing not to get injured. He's had two serious injuries in the past three years (knee and wrist), and it seems as if now he's wary of another injury robbing him of a one in a lifetime chance to represent his country in the Olympics. Debating the merits of NHL players appearing in the Olympics is for another time but if Morrow, the team captain, is playing timid and is not giving it his all then how can we expect the rest of the team to as well. Now, it's tough to say that Morrow is specifically holding back but these comments today combined with how he disappears on the ice when the team needs him most speaks volumes about the Stars as a whole.
Heart. Will. Fight. None of these words describe the Dallas Stars.
Anyone watching the past two games will come to the exact same conclusion: this is a team that is not playing as a team. They do not stand up for one another, there is no cohesiveness among the players and there is a certain closeness that is lacking when compared to the successful teams of the past.
It wasn't just last night against the Rangers either, and we started to see signs of this last season as well. Whenever a player on the ice is taken out with a dirty hit, is ganged up on in a scrum, is bowled over in the crease, is literally taken out after a goal is scored...the emotional response by the rest of the team is minimal at best. There have been times when the Stars have actually stood up for a teammate (Krys Barch fighting Hordichuk comes to mind) but for the most part it's appalling how this team just stands idly by while a teammate is abused.
Against the Rangers, the Stars were in a battle against a team that was easily beatable and then the Stars started to get manhandled. The Rangers realized they could walk all over this team without so much as anything close to retaliation, and that speaks to the current mindset of this team. They play with no heart, with no resolve or resiliency and seem incapable of overcoming adversity, let alone even being able to step up and play hard in a must-win game with the season slipping away.
This is why these Dallas Stars are so frustrating to watch. It's apparent they have the talent and ability as a group of individuals to really be a great and dynamic team and we've seen flashes of that at times throughout this season. Yet these players just don't believe in themselves or each other right now, and that's leading to the myriad of issues we're seeing up and down the ice.
No defense for the defense.
Bob Sturm, friend of Defending Big D and radio host for 1310 The Ticket, has a lengthy blog post up today giving his thoughts on why the Stars are struggling. He builds on a theme he's stated several times in the past and gives a great argument here: that the Stars are simply seeing the effects of spending minimal payroll for a young defense. I'm not going to rehash everything he writes about because I want you to read it yourself, but I did want to repost some statistics he has on the defense and where the Stars are in relation to the rest of the Western Conference:
Rank
Team
Money on Dmen
1.
Detroit
$23.8m
2.
Calgary
$23.4m
3.
Edmonton
$23.2m
4.
Vancouver
$21.4m
5.
Colorado
$20.8m
6.
Minnesota
$19.0m
7.
Chicago
$18.8m
8.
St Louis
$18.7m
9.
San Jose
$17.9m
10.
Anaheim
$17.3m
11.
Phoenix
$16.2m
12.
Los Angeles
$14.9m
13.
Columbus
$14.2m
14.
Nashville
$12.6m
15.
Dallas
$8.7m
That is staggering. Over this past summer the one thing most of us were in consensus about was that the Stars needed to add an experienced, big, dominant defenseman that could lead this team in Zubov's wake. Stephane Robidas is having a career season and is one of the few players on this team playing his heart out each night, but he alone cannot carry the Stars. We watched as the Stars stood idly by while quality defensemen were signed elsewhere for affordable prices at market value, and Joe Nieuwendyk had his hands tied by the team's budget. Imagine if the Stars had been able to sign Mattias Ohlund and Karlis Skrastins; even Jay Bouwmeester was signed for an affordable price.
Yet you can't put this team's woes squarely on Tom Hicks' shoulders. Sure, the extra monies would be nice to have, especially when the Stars are struggling and are in desperate need of a big trade. But it's not impossible to be successful with a young and cheap blueline; Detroit is proving that spending a ton of money isn't the exact answer either.
Who could have known that Matt Niskanen would regress to this point? He was supposed to be a future star and showed the potential to be a special player. Yet he's become the whipping boy for the Stars' defense and continues to struggle on a nightly basis. Trevor Daley has woefully underachieved in a system he was supposed to thrive in; for a player that was touted as an offensive threat his entire career, Daley has become nothing more than a joke at this point, and that's just pitifully sad.
If the young defense played at the same level and intensity as Nicklas Grossman and Mark Fistric, then perhaps the Stars wouldn't be having the problems they are now. You don't need a team full of superstar defensemen to be successful, but at the very least a team requires their defensemen to not be horrendously unreliable on a nightly basis.
Where do the Stars go from here?
If the current trend continues, the Stars will be grossly out of contention in the Western Conference within two weeks. As it stands, they have 19 games and nearly two months before the trade deadline on March 3rd. No one knows what Joe Nieuwendyk's ultimate plan is and I doubt even he knows at this point. Yet it's a certainty that at this point he's starting to form a very good opinion about each and every player on this team and how they fit into his longterm goals for the Dallas Stars.
Let's remember that 95% of this team was inherited by Joe Nieuwendyk, and he took over as General Manager with a very specific idea for the type of team he wished to build. Tom Hicks didn't hire him to just bring in a coach and this sit idly by and hope for the best. A G.M. change is done to do exactly that: make change. Whether Marc Crawford is or isn't the right coach for this team isn't the question; the question is how does Nieuwendyk build a team that fits perfectly with the coach he has selected.
So does he do commit an act of extreme firesale and blow this team up at the trade deadline, getting maximum value for the players he doesn't need? Here is who is scheduled to become either a UFA or an RFA at the end of the season:
Mike Modano
Jere Lehtinen
Fabian Brunnstrom (RFA)
Steve Ott
James Neal (RFA)
Tom Wandell (RFA
Krys Barch
Toby Petersen
Nicklas Grossman (RFA)
Matt Niskanen (RFA)
Marty Turco
Alex Auld
I think it's fairly safe to say that James Neal is staying. The Stars would also be wise to stick with Tom Wandell, who is one of the few players giving it his all and seemingly fits perfectly into the type of team Joe Nieuwendyk would build. Nicklas Grossman is also a player the Stars should keep. As far as the rest of the free agents, who should stay? Who has shown that they deserve to be a part of the future of the Dallas Stars?
Four months ago I would have fought tooth and nail for Steve Ott, but now I'm not as certain in my conviction. The offensive prowess he showed last season has disappeared and he hasn't been as effective as an agitator either. Toby Petersen perhaps should stay, but we've yet to see him become more than a fourth line option and while that not necessarily a bad thing, the Stars have pressing needs elsewhere, especially with some of the younger talent in the system.
Which brings us to the Dallas Stars prospects. I know we all want to see a big trade, but this team is proving right in front of our eyes that a team is not built through free agency and trades alone. Loui Eriksson, James Neal and Jamie Benn are all proof that you don't need a big-name free agent to make an impact on a hockey team. Hell, at this point a big free agent acquisition is the last thing the Stars need.
What the Dallas Stars need to do is build upon the nucleus of talented forwards they have in the system and in the juniors and NCAA, and augment that with some key defenseman additions. And if the Stars want to get max value this season for some of the players on the team, then they're going to have to part with someone who not only has future value for other teams but frees up salary as well.
The big name here is Brad Richards, but he's proven this season that he still has the ability to carry and elevate the play of those around him. He's been tremendous, and he's a player I'd love to see the Stars keep for a long time. Yet his salary is exorbitant and his value will never be higher than it is now. Yet others, such as Mike Ribeiro and Trevor Daley are distinct possibilities.
We're all waiting for the big trade to come down that sends Marty Turco packing, and while I have been doubtful this would happen it's starting to look like a possibility. Yet the question is whether teams would be willing to not only pick up his big contract (a little under $2.5 million for the rest of the season) and an aging goaltender who has become a liability in net recently.
Nieuwendyk could opt for a big firesale or a calculated restructuring of the team from the inside out that starts with a few trades and is carried out further over the summer. Yet if the Stars continue playing like they have the past month, the former will likely happen much quicker than the latter.
The clock is ticking; the Dallas Stars cannot survive a lengthy rebuilding process.
I wrote about this last month, how the Dallas Stars fans are treading in territory they have yet to see. Already this team is at an all time low when it comes to popularity in the metroplex, with declining attendance and even worse television ratings. The revenue is slipping and the Stars must start winning again to raise the bar back to where it was before.
Ever since coming to Dallas the Stars have been known as a winning franchise. Never before has this team had more than two losing seasons in row, nor have they missed the playoffs two years in a row. If the Stars do go into full rebuilding mode, then the track back to success must be much faster than that which is tolerated in other cities.
This is a delicate time for the Dallas Stars and it's fans, and the past week has been perhaps the worst for fans in a long time. It's one thing for the Stars to lose, it's something else entirely for them to just give up and expect the fans to be right there with them along the way. The Dallas Stars are a proud franchise; it's about time for them to act like it again.
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RFA/UFA's
Of the RFA/UFA’s, the ones I definately keep are Neal, Wandell and Grossman.
The first thing I do is scour the playoff teams needing that one extra player and the Stars, between Richards, Robidas and others have potentially that extra player for a team. I then trade for their top young d-man or goalie (if he’s worth the player).
I then trade the Brunnstrom’s and Niskanen’s for picks or players, whatever gives me the most value (and I’m not talking Sutherby types).
Finally, as much as it would pain me, if someone calls about Modano or Leth’s, I think you listen because they aren’t part of the future.
I really think you need to blow this thing up, it ain’t working right now.
My biggest issue is this
they could lose the remaining games this season but if they played well, with passion, commitment and fight, I would be disappointed but OK. If the rest of the season looks like this week – it’s going to be a very bitter pill.
I must have this thing for hockey boys from Whitby with the initials JN.
I agree this Neal, Wandell and Grossman are the only RFA/UFA's that should be kept
This team needs to be knocked down but rebuilt on the same foundation. Vishnevsky needs to be called up soon so that we can see what we have in him.
What do you think the best option for this team in this situation is? Rebuilding through the draft or rebuilding through trade acquisitions?
Well...
I think we all agree that some spirit is what this team needs; loosing after giving 100% is better than nothing. The problem is that Crow isn’t going anywhere, and we’re not getting any money soon. So if there is a change, it’s got to happen from within. I guess I just don’t see it happening as much as I’d love it to.
Free Agents though, simple:
Nealer
Grossman
Wandell
Otter
Yes, Ott needs to stay. In fact, sign him now while he’s not playing well for cheaper. The boys love him, he loves Dallas, and besides, would you want to play against him? As long as management defines his role clearly he’ll be whatever player we need.
Great piece Brandon.
Brenden Morrow is no longer the player he used to be. During today’s interview with Bob and Dan on The Ticket, Morrow stated that he contemplated really getting into it with Sean Avery and even dropping the gloves. Yet he said that “the prospect of getting injured or hurting my hand and missing the Olympics” outweighed his desire to teach that knucklehead a lesson.
He no longer deserves to hold the captaincy. Strip him.
Remember, hold out hope – Souray for Niskanen and a forward. It will work!
Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.
Who then?
Who on this team deserves the captaincy?
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 8, 2010 9:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Souray after Dallas trades for him.
Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.
Who then?
Who on this team deserves the captaincy?
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 8, 2010 9:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Robidas or B-Rad
I think that both are good leaders and I wouldn’t mind either as captain.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jan 8, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
As a B-Rad fan… The C is not his style, and would probably hamper him. Wouldn’t be good for him or the team. Luckily, I don;t see it happening now or ever, so that’s good. =P
(And while I’m here, that statement from Morrow, if it was as reported, makes me a little uneasy. I’m hoping it came out differently than he meant it or maybe there is more context there that is missed, but that statement is pretty embarrassing. Way to put the player over the team.)
"Spirit" is fine and all...
And Brenden will come around…I think.
The thing that makes this the hardest is the money. If we were told up front that this team was building towards “20XX” then at least we would have something to look forward to. As it is, this is a team full of people they can’t afford to keep. Even if they had the most perfect prospect situation and a plan for the future, which they don’t, it would be a bunch of crap anyway. They simply cannot afford to sign anyone to any significant amount of money right now.
I agree with the Wandell, Grossman (Derian Hatcher, Part 2), The Real Deal, and Otter need to be resigned. Right now, we would get next to nothing for Niskanen and Brunnstrom. I say send Nisky down and bring up Vishnevsky. Put Brunnstrom in the lineup and let him play every day. If he plays well, it will up his value and we might get more in a trade. If he doesn’t, then we can still trade him for small potatoes or release him. I think at this point in the season there is nothing to lose.
I also think Nieuwy needs to have a heart to heart with Morrow and figure this thing out. Maybe the Stars need to sit a few top end guys and put in all the Otters, Sutherby’s, Barches, etc in order to try and get the spirit of this team lifted.
I would also try to bring back Modano/Lehtinen but only on the cheap…AND I would sit them both down and let them know that I do not expect offense out of them anymore. I want them to focus and be the best defensive forwards they can be and focus heavily on faceoffs (I know they are already good, but I want them to be the Guy Carbonneau’s of this team).
Trade Turco.
My two cents.
You have to try to bring back Neal, Grossman and Wandell.
Modano and Lehtinen can still contribute, but they have to know that this team’s about to start a rebuilding process. Knowing that, and realizing that their skills and durability are on the decline, I question whether they’d even want to return. Modano can’t be part of the long-term; Lehtenin could play a few more seasons, if he could stay healthy. If they want to be part of the team, re-sign’em. Do it for cheap though, and don’t get them incentives based on offensive production or number of games played.
Petersen is a great depth forward. If he’s willing to resign for the salary he’s earning now, and he’s happy with his role where he is, re-sign him.
Ott can still be effective, but I also think he’s due for a raise (based on his play prior to this season); and I’m not sure I want to give him a raise. His value’s dropped this season, but I think he’s still a tradable asset. I think we should tender offers for him; we should also hear-out offers for Niskanen, Brunnstrom, and Barch.
If you can’t trade Brunnstrom and Niskanen, offer’em a short-term, two-way contract with the promise of top-line AHL minutes. (They might be insulted by that. If they are, let them walk. If they aren’t, you’re giving them what they need most — more skating time — without hurting your NHL club.)
Our AHL goaltenders are looking promising right now, but I’m not sure either one’s ready for the NHL. (Climie and Krahn are both due to be UFA’s. Resign them both!) What do you do for Dallas though?!
I think you tender offers for Turco with the others I mentioned above. I’d love to see either of the Wild’s goalies in a Stars uniform, but I can’t imagine them taking Turco at his salary just to be part of a goalie tandem. Still, I think you try.
Hiller will be a UFA at the end of the season. The Ducks will do what they can to re-sign him, but they’re going to have to dump a lot of salary to make that happen. Pursue something there, maybe. Nashville’s tandem is also due for free agency — I wouldn’t be opposed to pursuing either of them to be a 1B goalie next season.
If you can’t get anything done via trade or free agency, hold onto Auld. He’s more affordable than Turco and is capable of holding the fort down during a rebuilding year.
Marty Turco
Alex Auld
Question
I am not with the team on a day to day basis, but I just wonder if the team would be better served if Nieuwy was more involved. In a few articles I’ve read, it seems like he seems to differ a lot of things to Crawford, and rightfully so. He’s trying to give his coach the respect to run the team how he sees fit. But I wonder – given that Joe has history with many of the players still – if the team would be better served if Joe got more involved. It’s a tough line to walk, not stepping on your coaches toes and all. But I do wonder too if that’s part of why Hicks brought Joe back – was to bring back some of the attitude on how the Stars used to be.
What are your thoughts on this? Sorry – I know this is a bit off topic but Chicitao’s comment about having Joe have a heart to heart with Morrow made me think of this.
I must have this thing for hockey boys from Whitby with the initials JN.
Don't jump down my throat for saying this, but...
I don’t think the Stars will go ANYWHERE with Turco. He’s just gotten old and lost it. And I don’t have confidence in Auld to do much more than Turco. Turco has been spectacular at times, but he’s let in far too many soft goals. I think that GM Joe is going to let him stay until the end of the season, because he’s not the type to rush in on a huge trade.
As for Morrow, it’s the knee. People don’t realize how long it takes to heal an injury that major. I hoped that being named to Team Canada would boost his confidence, but it really hasn’t. Maybe next year will be different for Brenden.
When it comes to the defense, the only ones I have confidence in are Robidas, Grossman, Skrastins, and Fistric. Niskanen and Daley need to go. Daley more so than Niskers. I have not liked Daley at all this season. I think they need to let him go because he’s done NOTHING. We really need a number-one defenseman.
Which brings me to UFAs and RFAs. The RFAs that are a priority are Neal, Grossman and Wandell. The UFAs aren’t a priority. I’d love to keep Steve Ott, but if we can put him in a deal for a number-one d-man, I’ll take it.
I like the way this team’s future looks, I really do. If we can re-sign B-Rad and keep the young talent, I think this could be a good team. Throw in a solid goalie and a number one defenseman, we’re good to go.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jan 8, 2010 9:25 AM CST reply actions
Re-signing Brad Richards...
Now there’s something we haven’t even talked about yet.
Personally I’ve been operating under the assumption that re-signing him is just not even a possibility because a) he probably wants to do some winning and b) money.
We might be able to keep him
He’s not the type of guy who wants to move around a lot, so he might stay in Dallas because he’s comfortable. Also, his asking price will possibly be a bit lower by the time he’s a UFA because he’ll probably want to finish his career in one place.
I honestly think we have a good chance of keeping him.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jan 8, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
As a person, I doubt he would be up to moving unless it was back to Tampa, and he was humbled by the funk he played through after signing the big money deal.
However… his $7.8 million is not so outrageous anymore. He’s #7 in scoring. Some of the guys ahead of and and behind him or in the $8 million and over range.
This has included
a good discussion about possible moves.
As many have said before, a team not performing well always appear to not be trying. This appearance has much more to do with the emotionality of the fan than the reality of the actions. Thats why fan is short for fanatic.
Sigh...
No one said they’re not trying. Right now the issue has to do with execution, and a belief in themselves. There’s no emotion in this team right now.
Even Morrow said yesterday he doesn’t understand why the team can’t get motivated and he’s as frustrated about it as anyone.
There is a lack of certain players and talent that is holding them back, but it’s more than that. Even the players acknowledge it.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 8, 2010 11:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
B-Rad
Brad’s next contract will probably put him back down in the 4.5-5M range. His current 7.8M is crazy inflated. As I type this, it makes me wonder though, is Brad a 5M player? Or should he be listed in the (Non- New York Retarded Salary) top elite players?
I really don’t think we can firesale more than what we have. Nieuwy came in at precisely the right year to be able to effect a massive roster change, just be choosing which FAs he will retain. It really sucks that this is coming in the final years of Mo’s career, but he’ll probably have to retire without another serious go. We need to let the team rebuild, and try to develop our talent.
I don’t want us to fire sale, I don’t think anyone will take B-Rad at 7.8 for two more years, and all other assets won’t return good value, though I wouldn’t mind seeing Daley go. Niskanen… I want to like him, but criminy, I’d much prefer to have Fortunus(sp) in the lineup, since I really liked his poise.
To me, this reminds me of 95-96, at least the record does, but back then we were chanting “Shoot the puck!!!!” and had Churla ready to fight all comers, now we’re shooting, but not fighting. But back then, the Stars frankly sucked, and I considered it a win if we won the fights or scored one goal.
Richards is top 5 in the NHL in scoring...
Is that elite?
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 8, 2010 12:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hmmm. I guess technically :p
Yeah, I’d consider that elite… damn, so that means he is more a 7M than a 5M…
Forgot to mention goaltending, Turco I think can still be effective, he just needs an extremely disciplined d-core in front of him. That way, his willy-nilly wanderings can get covered. Right now the defense is inconsistent, combine that with Turco’s consistent inconsistency and we get lousy goals. Some on Turco’s soft play, many from the defense making bonehead mistakes and Turco having to react to yet another unexpected shot against.
I wonder how low Turco’s next contract will be? 3? 3.5M? Will another team give him a starting job, or will he be a backup somewhere or in the KHL?
Auld is on a one year hitch isn’t he?
by Waywardstars on Jan 8, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Right now, Brad Richards is easily a $7 million guy. Last year and the year before? Not so much. But this year? Easily. Not only the scoring (yesterday, he was in 5th place, nestled between Alex Ovechkin and Sidney Crosby), but in the “making things happen” department.
He’s not loud and in your face, so he is easy to overlook. His problem remains defensive abilities. But, then again, he’s never really played with an elite defensive core that can bail out the team when he’s stuck behind the offensive net.
And to think...
Mr. Nieuwendyk knew about all of this mess before he took the job. I wouldn’t want to be him right about now, but I hope he finds a way.
If there is anyone who can turn this team around
I really believe it’s Joe. He did so much to help build this team in the 90’s as a player. I am confident he will do the same as GM.
I must have this thing for hockey boys from Whitby with the initials JN.
What we have will work!
I have no problem with trading Nisky and Brunnstrom and a draft position for a top quality defenseman. Brunnstrom has been a bust. He needs the big ice to be competitive. Nisky is a toss-up. He has talent but he’s not willing to take a shot to make a play. Also, his mind seems too slow to keep up with NHL speed. He’s too often indecisive which leads to missed opportunities.
And also remember…Guerin…Arnott…Turgeon…Lemieux…big names, big reutations, big money…big busts!!
We have talent. We have Cup talent. We have no leadeship! Brenden Morrow has shown no leadership this year. He has been demoted to the third line. He seems to care more about playing in the Olympics than he cares about the team that pays him the big bucks. He seems to care more about playing in the Olympics than he cares about the team that he leads. He seems to care more about playing in the Olympics than he cares about the team that he captains. This is a disheartening revelation!! Maybe he should care enough to turn the job over to someone who cares about this team more than anything else. Someone like Stéphane Robidas!
As for trading Mike Madano, How stupid would that be? He is what made this franchise! Remeber when he gave up part of his salary to help fund “big name” talent? Remember when his name alone made this team recognizable? Remember when teams like Chicago offered him bigger bucks but the stayed with HIS team? Mike Modano should stay a part of this team as long as he chooses to stay a part of this team! If the guy gets to the point that he needs training wheels on his skates, He should be a part of this team!
The only things this team lacks is leadership (both from the coach and from a captain) and goaltending. I love what Marty Turco has done for this team. I loved to watch him play, lovED as in the past. He is no longer a viable number one goaltender in the NHL. It happens to all goaltenders, some sooner, some later. It has come to Marty. I have no problem keeping him as a number two, if he will accept that. But, he is not ever going to lead a team to the cup! Face it! We have to have a better goaltender.
This team has talent…tons of talent. We need one more top-notch defenceman, a solid goaltender, a coach that can harness this talent into a team that works together…and a captain that puts the team first!
The revelation that Morrow put his desires ahead of the teams needs is an astonishing announcement. No wonder this team is suffering! When the captain no longer puts the team first, he should no longer be captain!
Let's do the math
Before we stick a fork in them, here are the facts:
With 39 games remaining, the Stars have 78 points available to get. Typically you need between 88 and 90 points to make the playoffs, so let’s say 90.
That means that they need at least 43 points in their next 39 games, or slightly better than .500 hockey. You don’t think that, if things turn around, they’re capable of that?!
They could go 19-14-6 or some combination for the next 39 games and MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.
Or hell, maybe 29-0-10 since they fight to get the OT point and then lose. :)
But seriously, 19-14-6 is a pretty achievable number, don’t you agree? How about 17-13-9? Does that sound impossible?
We’re so used to the Stars winning that it seems like there’s no way they could even make the playoffs with the record they have…but they’re closer than you think.
Except for...
The Kings in 8th place are on a 98 point pace.
The west is ridiculous this year.
When you re-do the math for 98 points, it’s already looking bad.
Mercy Points
Yeah loser points are crazy this year. You could count on 88-90 pre-lockout enabling you to make the playoffs, but now only the Eastern enables that. The West is going to be rough.
Halak or Price..
What if we could get any off those two goalies ? both young and good potential ? Price could even resurect his career so to speak like Ribero did coming here ! Dont no if Montreal willing to deal them though? any thoughts ?
"On Pace"
Is almost always misleading. The fact is that teams ALL have their ups and down and even with loser points factored in, the teams with 90 points generally make it in. Maybe 92 would be a safer bet, but it doesn’t skew my numbers much. So we’ll say 20-13-6 for 46 more point, enough to have 93 points. Very doable.
I don’t think trading Turco is going to fix the issue. Kicking the ship captain off of the Titanic doesn’t do much good if the crew helped him hit the iceberg. The D-line needs to be shored up.
I very much disagree with your “90 points generally make it in” statement. It was definitely true, up until the league started awarding OTL points. (I’m looking for something showing how many points the eighth seed had in each conference each year after the lockout.)
I don’t even think 92 points will cut it in the East…
I stand semi-corrected. Since the lockout, it look like 91 points has been enough for the 8th seed in one conference on two separate occasions. That being said, Calgary barely squeaked in in ’06 with 96 points!
I just don’t feel like 90 or 92 is going to cut it this year; I’m not even sure 95 will!
So let's call it 95 points
Now they have 49 points, which is 5 points out of 5th place. Sticking around my original concept, that means they need 46 points in their next 38 games for 95 points. Or not much above .500 hockey. Those “loser” points go both ways.
If they go on a winning streak, get a little better on the road or even win some OT games and shootouts, it’s totally possible.
20-12-6 gets them in the playoffs if it is an outstanding year for the conference. IF the teams above them DON’T go on losing streaks, which always seems to happen. Tell me that’s not totally possible. They’ve been 19-14-11 so far through 44 games. We all know if Neal doesn’t hit the post or the other team does and the shootout goes differently, they “win” probably 3-4 of those OTLs.
Now I don’t think they do squat in the playoffs if they don’t turn around the play pretty much right now. But it isn’t as if there’s no hope.
Morrow NOT as Captain?
Oh hell no.
Brenny had a horrible year, what there was of it, last season and has had very little success this season with the hand he’s been dealt. His squad is young, his knee in a brace (which is new for him), new behind the bench bosses, and a new GM.
You do that and tell me how well you do.
I’m not making excuses for the team, they do that well enough on their own. I do, however, believe with my entire being, that Brenny is the leader. That quote doesn’t surprise me since if he gets injured (like by hitting that blockhead Avery) it’s not just the Olympics that are in jeopardy. I mean, look at our March schedule! It’s stupid busy. Bren is not a name on the back bigger than the name in front kinda guy. And while I like James Neal’s play (for the most part), he’s not our Captain yet…
As far as our back end goes…Marty commented years ago that he’s gonna let some softies in and people were just going to have to get over it…problem is, it’s nearly a by the game occurrence rather than the occasional “whoopsadaisy”. No clue what the deal is there, but I’ve never really followed netminders much.
Defense, however…Grossman and Fistric have both continued to develop in a forward direction. Niskanen, while I like the kid, has slid backwards in his after Zubov was not there to bolster his spirit. Daley, again I like the guy quite a bit, has stalled. We do not have the stable to pull from like we had before. Without money to get someone to help Steph, we’re gonna run him into the ground again.
A little more than my two cents but hey, this team is worth it.
**Proof SOME rules are meant to be broken**
what's up with all of the posts in italicized font?
I must have this thing for hockey boys from Whitby with the initials JN.
I thought it was just me.
I don’t know.
The HTML is getting written like there’s open “” tag somewhere. It’s even writing the right sidebar in italics.
I've submitted a bug report.
I can’t get into where the HTML is messing up.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 8, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Just thinking
Exactly the same thing. :) Or Hatcher…

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