The Neutral Zone: Stars Get Up Close Look At Sheldon Souray
After watching last night's insane 4-3 win over Edmonton, I have a few random thoughts to share and as we gear up for our big fundraiser tomorrow.
Yesterday, The Copper & Blue wrote an article about how Sheldon Souray would be the perfect fit for the Dallas Stars come the trade deadline. It's a great argument, we've even discussed this trade ourselves, and it certainly bears to reason that Souray to Dallas would be a decent move for the future of this team. He has a big cannon of a shot from the point, he's solid defensively and would help even out the minutes for the defensemen the Stars do have.
In talking with Derek Zona, it seems to be that what the Oilers would want in return would be some combination of Matt Niskanen, Tom Wandell and a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick. While I would hate to give up Wandell so soon, to nab a player like Souray would be worth it.
The big issue at hand, of course, are the financial terms. Souray is signed through 2011-12 at $5.4 million per season. While the hopes are that the Stars will be able to open up the pocket books a bit this summer, whether the team can afford to take on that contract at this point. Granted, there will be just $1.1 million remaining after the trade deadline it's unknown whether the Stars have the type of flexibility in their internal payroll to take on this contract without giving up major pieces first.
Of course, the pockets will have to open up this summer with so many RFA's and UFA's needing to either be re-signed or let go. The Stars are in desperate need of one more big defensemen and a goaltender; the supposed departure of Marty Turco will help free up finances as well.
If the Stars do indeed make some big trades at the deadline, including one that sends Turco elsewhere, the likelihood of a trade for a player of Souray's caliber increases.
The question for everyone here: is Sheldon Souray a player you feel the Stars should target?
More quick notes on the game after the jump:
- Good to see Marty Turco come back from three games off and have a pretty damn good game. I shudder to think what might have happened to this team's psyche had he stunk it up in net once again, especially in Edmonton.
- How fitting is it that the winning goal by James Neal was scored off a freak rebound, just seconds after Mike Modano literally kicked in the game-tying goal for the Oilers. Also, if you watch carefully, you'll notice that Brad Richards' big swipe at the puck caused Strudwick's stick to knock the puck to Neal.
- I know everyone was upset about the Stars not being able to score on the two minute 5 on 3, but I thought overall it was well executed. The Oilers, and Dubnyk in particular, made some incredible saves to keep the puck out. Sometimes, you just get thwarted by spectacular play.
- While the loss of Brenden Morrow, Jere Lehtinen and Mike Ribeiro hurts, we are seeing some young players get valuable experience and time on special teams. That's contributing to some confidence up and down the ice and we're seeing the results on the scoreboard. The confidence is feeding itself through every line, not just on special teams. Raw Sawada and Warren Peters with a strong forecheck, leading directly to the first goal. Great stuff.
- The pairing of Steve Ott and Jamie Benn on the same line has been phenomenal. Never would have thought those two would make the big difference they have, but they truly play well together and compliment each other perfectly. Once again, in Brenden Morrow's absence, Ott is stepping up and he's been the best player for the Stars the past week.
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I'm not a big fan of his.
He has a good shot from the point, but that’s pretty much it. Out of 11 seasons, he’s only had four where he played more than 70 games. He seems injury prone and and his plus-minus is not very impressive. Maybe his current -14 isn’t necessarily all his fault, but a career -47 is more telling.
I think the Oilers have similar troubles with their defensive corps and he has not managed to single-handedly pull them out of the basement, and that’s what we’re going to want him to do here.
I’d keep shopping. There are other d-men out there that are out of our price range that are much better. :D
by Patty (in Dallas) on Jan 23, 2010 2:57 PM CST reply actions
By the way...
I feel honored anytime Patty comments here.
Just sayin’.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 23, 2010 4:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do I detect a note of sarcasm? ;-)
I haven’t been able to straighten out my laptop cookie issues, so it won’t let me log in to SBNation on it. And I can’t see the TV from this computer during games so it’s quite a conundrum. I have to settle for lurking. :D
by Patty (in Dallas) on Jan 23, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Lol, no that's not what I meant.
I’ve been reading your blog for a ling, long time. To have you weigh in over here makes me proud.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 23, 2010 5:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
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Exactly
I’ve seen the Souray to Dallas option thrown around on other sites and it makes little sense for the Stars for the exact reasons you pointed out. Souray is a big guy with a big contract and short seasons. This team has been riddled with injures for the past 2 seasons now. We already know what it’s like to shell out $5.4 million on a guy who doesn’t play up to his potential for a full season. Do we really want to shell out $5.4 million on a guy who can’t play a full season, period?
Patty has a point.
I see the oilers having the advantage in that proposed trade. Any other options?
This was more about starting talk
About the circumstances surrounding trades like this. Souray is someone the Stars might look at.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 23, 2010 3:59 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Souray
He would improve the power play and and give us another physical presence. It would also allow us to see less of Daley, assuming Niskanen is gone the other way, and possibly less of Skrastins against the other teams big guns (the numbers suggest he struggles). I would not like to split up the Robidas and Grossman pair as they have pretty good chemistry, but he would form a pretty intimidating tandem with Fistric and leave Skrastins and Daley as the third pairing.
Now for some concerns: durability is an issue obviously, might be bad luck or injury prone, but it comes down to being able to stay in the lineup. Secondly we don’t need another LEFT handed shot. I know there aren’t any good reasons not to take a player because we already have an abundance of lefties, but if you can find a suitable alternative it would seem a better choice. So I was wondering if you guys could think of a younger RIGHT handed defensemen that would be available to the Stars. If you go this way the contract would likely be more affordable, although the downside is you give up more.
no
just straight up no. i don’t want him. i don’t like his on-ice attitude, and personally think he’s overrated. he constantly seems disinterested, unless he’s lining up for a blast. and he’s not even that accurate, and i personally think robidas takes better one-timers. i say no all over the board. unless its straight up for niskanen and woywitka. that’s the only way.
Souray
I’m not sure I’d be willing to give up Wandell… He has an amazing skill set and just needs to gain the experience that will allow him to be top six. I would, on the other hand, be willing to trade Ribiero (as much as it pains me to say that). I see a lot of Ribiero’s playmaking abilities in Wandell and think that given a few years, Wandell will be the one to replace Ribs.
With that being said, we need someone like Souray or Shea Weber to help anchor our blueline. Could you imagine how much other teams would quake when they see a blueline that is composed of Souray, Robi, Fistric, and Grossman? At that point, you would really just need someone to play with Daley/Nisky/Woywitka…
So, how about Ribs, Nisky or Daley or Woywitka, and a 3rd for Souray?
soooooo....
Basically it seems to be a consensis of everyone that if we have to give up much at all for Souray and the burden of his contract its a bad idea to try and get him.
Its dificult to evaluate any trade when we don’t have clearly outline objectives. Are we trying to set the stars up for the future? Are we trying to win the Stanley cup this year? Are we trying to win the Stanley Cup next year?
It is my thinking to plan for longer term than this year or next and because I think this roster has some serious holes at D and G positions and because I think Wandell and Benn will be much improved in a couple years…..
I am sure I will be harshly booed for saying this but as for building a team for the future the most logical person to trade would be Richards. You could get a lot of prospects and draft picks in return for boosting any of a dozen teams into serious Stanley Cup contention. Just think of the Cowboys and trading a certain guy name Walker.
Dion Phaneuf....
I would rather have the Stars have a run at trying to get Phaneuf, i no he is a bigger cap hit bit i think he has more upside, physical dman who could log big minutes, i reckon he would be a big hit in Big D ! any thoughts ?
It's a nice thought...
but just think about all of the “sloppy seconds” jokes we’d have to endure ;)
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jan 24, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
My immediate reaction
Would be sure..but how many times have we seen young talent like Wandell, who is already playing at a very high level, break out and go big after they’re traded. But that probably is going to be about the level we should expect to lose for a big D-man.
By the way, I thought it was interesting that in the Stars Live broadcast after the Edmonton game, it was mentioned (by Luddie I think) that they’re going to be “fixing” the all-left hander situation. That would suggest that at least a couple of guys are gone by the trade deadline.
Sheldon Souray
I’d want him just because his name is Sheldon, and that name is so dorky it’s cool. I love the name Sheldon.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jan 24, 2010 10:38 AM CST reply actions
No, no, no no no
Souray in my eyes is like Lehts. He is a good player when healthy, but how often is that? If a trade is made I would rather see Daley gone, over Nisky. For the record I love Lehts, I love is it Finnish or Gibberish.
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Dan Hamhuis
Have you guys thought about a guy like Dan Hamhuis? He’s a VERY underrated defenseman, he’ll be an UFA at the end of the season and by all accounts it doesnt sound like Nashville will be able to resign him.
He seems like just as good of an option as Phaneuf or Souray (if not better)… and cheaper when thinking about assets going the other way in a trade.
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