Ilya Kovalchuk Trade Scenario: What Would The Stars Give up?
by Brandon Worley on Jan 11, 2010 3:41 PM CST
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Bear with me here. I know that the Dallas Stars don't exactly need another forward right now, and the big holes on this team are on defense and in goal.
But SB Nation's Bird Watcher's Anonymous has posed this question to the rest of the network: what would we trade in order to bring Kovalchuk to our respective teams? He's a highly skilled winger, he's RIGHT HANDED, and he has half a season left on his contract that is paying him nearly $7 million this season.
The Thrashers would want at least a roster player, a good prospect and conditional draft picks if Kovalchuk were to re-sign with the Stars after this season. Obviously, for the Stars to make this move (and there's no way they would) the team would have to drop salary in order to pick up the rest of his contract. Here are the conditions:
So would you? Could you imagine a team with Brad Richards, Mike Ribeiro, Loui Eriksson, James Neal AND Ilya Kovalchuk playing forward?
Drop your suggestions for the trade in the comments section, or lambast me for suggesting it at all. It's just a fun exercise in the end.
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Here's my proposal:
TO ATLANTA:
C Tom Wandell
D Trevor Daley
C Colton Sceviour
2010 Conditional Second Rounder
2011 Conditional Second Rounder
2010 conditional is guaranteed, but upgrades to first if extended in Dallas. 2011 conditional only if extended.
The Stars would have to eat some salary here.
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Contract #
If you could sign him for 8mil or less per season i would be interested, but if he is actually dead set on 11mil not a chance. This is the biggest issue i see here. That said i would like to keep Neal, Benn, Grossman, Fistric, Eriksson, and probably the trio of Robidas, Richards and Morrow. All others should be available, although arguments can be made for others. Let’s assume no contract is in place and Atlanta is simply trading him as a rental, although we believe an extension will be signed later.
With that said, i like your proposal but would add Brunnstrom to that list. Making it:
C Tom Wandell
D Trevor Daley
C Colton Sceviour
LW Fabian Brunnstrom
2010 Conditional Second Rounder*
2011 Conditional Second Rounder*
*2010 conditional is guaranteed, but upgrades to first if extended in Dallas. 2011 conditional only if extended.
Now a good problem arises if this trade goes down, or a bad one depending on how you view it……you have 7 top 6 forwards. Good in the sense of depth, but bad in that too much money tied up on forwards and someone playing a third line role who is better suited to be a top 6. You have: Kovy, Richards, Neal, Ribiero, Eriksson, Morrow, and Benn. Yes you could argue that Morrow would do pretty well in a checking role, but i am not sure if he would accept that at this point in his career. Not saying he would give up or anything, just that a well paid captain on the third line is not ideal. Benn could also go there and step in if one of the others is traded, but then would he better suited getting more minutes in the minors? But none the less i propose:
Eriksson-Richards-Neal
Kovalchuk-Ribiero-Benn
Morrow-Modano-Lehtinen
Ott-Peterson-Sutherby
Can Morrow play RW? I am not opposed to Benn and Morrow switching spots, but this is likely a good combination. Two highly skilled scoring lines and checking 3rd line with offensive potential.
A few side notes: i would assume the signing of Kovy would mean Turco and Ott are not re-signed and one of the other ‘6 top-six forwards’ is potentially traded for defensive help or goal-tending. Modano is probably gone next year as well, which helps with the cap, but is still an issue if Hicks doesn’t get his act together.
Mine:
D Trevor Daley
LW Fabian Brunnstrom
C Tom Wandell
2010 Conditional 2nd
2011 Conditional 3rd
Not much change from yours, I’ll admit. Would Atlanta be open to receiving Turco?
Atlanta doesn't need any goaltenders....
So…no.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 11, 2010 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Unless
The hockey common sense gods were tossed out the window and something like this went down (figures are “cap hit” according to nhlnumbers.com):
To Dallas:
Kovalchuk ($6.4)
Pavelec ($1.433)
(Net: $1.542)
To Atlanta:
Turco ($5.7)
Niskanan ($0.850)
Brunnstrom ($2.225)
Wandell ($0.600)
2010 2nd round pick
2011 2nd round pick
(Net: -$1.542)
That said, it’s not obscene to think Atlanta would trade for a goalie. They have the 3rd worst GAA in the league and neither goalie is in the top 20 in save %. In fact, Marty has a better save % than Pavelec and is only 0.001 behind Hedberg. That combined with Atlanta’s playoff hunt position means it wouldn’t be out of this world to see them acquire a goaltender.
I'd do that trade in a heartbeat.
IN. A. HEARTBEAT.
Where do I sign?
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 11, 2010 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
I am also open to:
To ATL:
Matt Niskanen disguised in Marty Turco’s gear.
Fabian Brunnstrom.
Meanwhile, we put Grossman in goal and make Marty a forward.
I wouldn’t take him, but
Brunnstrom
Sutherby
Glennie (Or Neal)
Conditional 1st 2010
Brunnstrom/Sutherby are roster players, Brunn potentially with some upside
Glennie or Neal would be the future wow to make the deal, GLennie would be a future for today as both are right handed scoring RW, Neal same deal but he’s left shot, and ATL would probably actually want him since he’s demonstrated success
That being said, i wouldn’t make this deal, I’m just trying to think if I was in ATL what I would want.
Brunnstrom
Daley
Ribeiro
Mostly due to the cap restraints, and Daley is such a big cap hit for being so worthless. this also gives a bit of room to sign a free agent D man in the summer, assuming Kovy re-signs here.
I actually presented this question to Bob Sturm about a month ago, i’d like to know what he thinks about it.
How about...
NO DEAL!!! With the Dallas Stars already having defensive issues as it is, do you want another defensive liability? His lackluster defensive play is widely known and often publicized. He is often seen coasting into his own defensive zone and will give up on back checking and just go for a change.
For the above reasons I would say, “thanks, but no thanks”.
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u r right!
we have a good core of forwatds, i would only give up Ribeiro or/and Brunnstrom,,, Wandell is only going to get better, and it would be a huge mistake to get rid of Benn and Neal,,, NO WAY.
We need a tender and a big d man
Agreed.
But this was just a fun exercise.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 11, 2010 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
Just like the
“What would you give for Heatley, if he wasn’t a dick” discussions in the off-season? :p
Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.
REMEMBER
you have to give something to get something.
That’s why i offered up Ribeiro, they both have skill, and are both a little defensively challenged. I know Ribs plays PK for us, but he just doesn’t have a very strong work ethic.
and if we want to get a little more creative and break some rules, i’d swap Turco for a conditional player and give Climie or Krahn a shot in the bigs. This is assuming we’re out of the playoff race before the trade deadline, which seems very plausible at this point. I’m sure there would be picks thrown around in the mix, but that gets messy.
I’m sure it could even go as deep as a four team swap. reading some of the other blogs, it looks like most teams don’t really have what it takes to make this trade, be it cap room or players to give up.
Realistically speaking, we could be a front runner.
On an un-related note, can anybody tell me why we signed Woywitka, rather than pursuing Marc-Andre Bergeron? I don’t even want to begin to count the reasons he would be a much better fit than Woywitka.
1) roughly the same cost
2) that ELEPHANT BAZOOKA from the point
3) albeit the terrible +/-, he could make up for it on the PP
feedback anybody?
Better Question
How does Hicks sign Guerrero to the Rangers and the Stars are still sitting?
I thought the same thing at first...
But the rangers seem to be this close to gaining a new owner, so it’s possible that new owner ok’ed the deal.
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