Game Day Thread: Carolina Hurricanes @ Dallas Stars
by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 6:30 PM CST
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Carolina Hurricanes at Dallas Stars, Nov 23, 2009 7:30 PM CST
Game 22: Carolina Hurricanes @ Dallas Stars
Monday, November 23, 2009 · 7:30 p.m. CT
American Airlines Center - Dallas, Texas
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by RyanM on Nov 23, 2009 6:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Time to break the trend! Need a win tonight fellas.
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The press box
Is really full… Do the hurricanes travel with an army of writers? ;)
by Brad Gardner on Nov 23, 2009 7:23 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Well, you know how popular those 'Canes are.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions
Front row in my section
Plus celebrating the 6 month anny with my wife, we need a win!
by Tsudbury on Nov 23, 2009 7:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Congrats!
Where are you sitting?
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
Oh thank you, thank you, thank you...
I finally get R&R again, and in HD!!!
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I'm just glad we didn't have four days between games again.
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Try the link on the Stars site.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Damn that was quick.
Morrow going hard at him!!
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Sorry man.
Have you looked into Gamecenter?
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
If I had the money..
I’d have cable or satellite or something anyway. :( Oh well.
Grossman out. Day to day with lower body injury.
Woywitka and Fistric in.
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Well this is an ignomonious start.
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Fistric took an uncalled high stick.
Is getting stitched up but I bet he’ll be back.
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I have a feeling Ott is going to pay for that hit later.
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My thumb..
Between the Stars and Texans, it will get a work out!
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Hopefully VY has a good showing.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully not...
Chris Johnson will be enough for the Texans to handle..
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by Art Middleton on Nov 23, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
I know they stink
But don’t take it easy on the ’Canes. Show some killer instinct and punish them.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
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Whoops, scratch that.
ATDHE just put up another link. Woot!
http://atdhe.net/10549/watch-carolina-hurricanes-vs-dallas-stars-
Nice penalty kill!
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by RyanM on Nov 23, 2009 7:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Time for a Dallas Stars POWER PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ott needs to go to the batting cage.
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Niskanen
Has looked much better on the power play the last few games.
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How did that not go in?!
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Can't buy a goal on this pp.
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Apparantly...
Nice job by Ward to push Benn into his goalie,,, I hate seeing that as a defenseman myself,,, push the player away from your goalie.. not into
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by Art Middleton on Nov 23, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Manny Legace just played the dead fish.
Looked liked Turco.
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Maybe if they think I’m dead they’ll go away!
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by RyanM on Nov 23, 2009 7:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
NOOOOOOOO!
Lehtinen, come on old man! :)
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by RyanM on Nov 23, 2009 7:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Looked like it hit the far post and came back onto Legace.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
More missed opportunities
Good looking pp though
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What do you non-movie geeks think about Avatar?
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I want to know how many Red Bulls Ott has before each game.
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The over / under has to be three..
And I think I’d take the over.
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by Art Middleton on Nov 23, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Not saying I'm looking forward to the vets leaving at all...
But it will be interesting when Warren Peters, Jamie Benn, Ivan Vishnevskiy, Sergei Korostin and Colton Sceviour are up with the NHL team. TONS of young talent.
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This is going to get ugly.
I can just feel it.
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Every time he makes a big hit like that....
I pray that it was clean.
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If you ever want to see how the NHL figures out these suspensions, there is a great flow chart that pretty much nails it:
http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2009/11/nhl-suspensions.html
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by Art Middleton on Nov 23, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
That is genius.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
The best part...
Is the “damnit Pronger…” square.
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by Art Middleton on Nov 23, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
BENN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What a sequence!
I see the Texans take the 7-0 lead off a Slayton TD… and then a Benn goal!
I want more of that tonight!
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by Art Middleton on Nov 23, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
B-B-B-B-BENN!!!!!
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Otter is making me very nervous.
But, yes, we got a goal out of it!
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Yeah...
He seems to be in crazy mode.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
Not yet.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
You don't realize how young Benn is until you see him on the bench next to Modano.
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That is REALLY OLD....
Like….ancient.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks, I turned 47, TODAY.
Not that I’m feeling sensitive about it or anything.
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Happy Birthday!
And seriously, no. 50 is the new 30, so you’re perfectly fine.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Not telling.
I am a mystery.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
By the way, don't know if you guys saw this on Twitter or not...
But Defending Big D is now featured on the USA Today Dallas Stars page.
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Wow the Stars PP tonight..
Dazzling!
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Brandons right
This is going to get ugly.
This crowd is really laid back tonight.
What was with that lehtinen hit? Was that an accident?
by Brad Gardner on Nov 23, 2009 8:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Laid back good or laid back bad?
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
Tink again
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This is a great period.
But damn, need to cash in.
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Where?
How dare they!
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, they REALLY aren't enjoying R&R.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
If you like Tripp Tracy
you could not appreciate Razor
I must have this thing for hockey boys from Whitby with the initials JN.
By the way, the new Florida unis...
I’m kinda diggin them!
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Those are....
different.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
I like 'em...
The blue is tired within the league, but the double blue look is solid and it has a nice old school feel to ’em.. Like the shoulder patches as well…
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by Art Middleton on Nov 23, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
I like the sweaters but the pants don't match.
I hate it when they don’t match the blues. Bleh.
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Hey hey!
Off to a good start, Robidas is playing like a beast again from what i’ve been seeing. If he can keep up this level he’d answer the "1st dman’ question
I'm happy with it.
Just need to kill off this penalty.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
Solid PK...
Solid 1st period…
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Good period overall.
Desperately would have liked to have one of those close goals.
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Yippee.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
Lmao
Unfortunately that’s true.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
I was hoping...
…we could get through a GDT without a Twilight mention.
Seriously, what is it with that movie franchise that makes it so popular? A week leading up to the movie, that’s all our roommate could take about.
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Errr
All she could talk about…anyway.
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I think there is some kind of hypnotic agent involved
Because the novels are horrible and the movies are worse. But they’ve found a formula that makes every female between the ages of 13 and 35 go absolutely nuts over.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
My fiancee read the books. It’s very simple, it’s a book that unleashes your inner 16 yr old girl. It’s like Harry Potter meets a romance novel. But the movies suck, I just think the main guy looks funny with his hair sticking up the way ribbies does.
I think a lot of women like it because it’s based on the very romantic premise of everlasting/eternal love. My issue with the books is that an 18 year old girl is so willing to give up her entire LIFE for the vampire. IMO- it sets a horrible example for the girls reading them.
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That's what I've heard from a lot of people.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Especially since they have a fairly one sided relationship where she is mostly submissive to him all the time.
DON'T GET ME STARTED....AGAIN!
Horrible example to young womEn of what a “romantic” relationship should be. BLEH.
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Not quite every female
My wife went with her BFF last year and didn’t get it.
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by Brandon Bibb on Nov 23, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
Brad,
Just me or does it seem like the stars are movin slower than they were on Saturday?
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On TV it looks like they're pretty fired up.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
Oh nice save Turco
That would have been a crappy goal to allow.
Stars had some good chance right off the start again.
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Oh, I thought that was in.
The Stars are getting run around right now.
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Peters has looked decent as a stand in, but i don’t think there is really a spot for him when Neal gets back.
I wish he wouldn't wear 25
I keep expecting him to be as good as Nieuwy. It makes me sad.
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He's a decent fourth line stand in.
Which is what he was signed to be.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Woywitka....
I don’t know about that guy
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Yeah....
He’s a bit hit or miss.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
Huge fan of Skrastins!
I didn’t think he’d make as much of an impact when he signed, but he’s been one of my favorite (if not the favorite) signing Nieuwy made.
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He's a great addition.
But Auld was a brilliant trade.
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I am more than happy with Skrats.
He’s a shot blocking machine!
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Well that sucked
Caroliner ties it.
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Boo-urns...
Did someone tell the Stars the second has started?
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And...THAT is why I hoped for an extra goal in the first.
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No goal!
That’s clearly a kick!
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That was kick.
I think.
Still a bad goal to give up.
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That was all ott
Overpursuing the body in the other end.
by Brad Gardner on Nov 23, 2009 8:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Well
As long as the refs don’t say he intended to hit it with his stick….
Distinct. Kicking. Motion.
Should clearly be no goal.
But I’ve been shocked by Toronto before.
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That was easily a kick.
He wasn’t trying to kick it in, but kick it to his stick. Unfortunate.
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lol..
“He intended to hit it with his stick, therefore it counts”.
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No goal!
Still as was mentioned, bad defense on that play!
C’mon Stars, there is your wake up call!
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Rant time from Brandon
The call went our way.
But I honestly don’t understand why in a league that supposedly makes offense a selling point why goals like that don’t count.
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It’s not like he tried to punt the puck into the net.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Good point
If the skate doesn’t come off the ice, it should be a good goal.
Just MHO of course.
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Lol..
Whadya mean?
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
It's the refs mostly
sometimes me personally. LOL. If they are mad, we’re doing something right.
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I saw that, Happy Girl. Glad to see it didn't keep you away!
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aw shucks
thanks guys. i was trying to give myself a little self imposed suspension but screw the haters.
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That Cam Ward goal was nasty.
But why in the name of all that is holy were they skating him off standing up?
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
I was just saying the same thing.
Sure looked like he was loosing a lot of blood getting off that way.
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as bad as that was, it wasn’t as bad as Malarchuk or Zednik. I remember both of those.
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I've seen the malarchuk video
they did a special on ESPN a couple years back about it. He still suffers PTSD from it. Can’t say I blame him. One of the most horrifying things i’ve ever seen.
This power play....
Not as good as the others.
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Peters showed some wiggle up the middle.
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there’s an intent to blow joke here somewhere but i’m not going there
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it all goes back to the refs sucking
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Transition game has completely dissappeared.
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why do we wind up playing to the ability of our opponents?
We play top caliber teams – we play great. We play bottom teams and we join them in the ooze.
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The Stars are constantly just inches away.
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seriously Brandon
it’s like you’re purposely trying to set me up for the bad jokes … lol.
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I'm like the Steve Nash of DBD.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
I see what you did there
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Ahhh..
No. Goodness no.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
To do as well at the shoot out as Ribs does, he cannot handle a breakaway to save his soul.
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Stars are getting some pressure again.
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So...let's start playing good again.
Please?
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And Razor selling snuggies is supremely disturbing.
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Do you believe...
…they make Snuggies for pets now?
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by Brandon Bibb on Nov 23, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
That's two great plays Ott has made on the boards to get the puck out.
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Woywitka was out of position at least 2 times that shift, including what was the near jailbreak by carolina
I'd be happy if he played once every 6 games or so.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
I’d like to see him be a 7th man, but i’d also like to see a young guy get a shot, Vishnansky (sp??)
The Stars want him to get more time as the #1 guy in Austin.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Where the hell is the puck support?
There should have been someone right there backing Wandell up on that chip in.
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it was disallowed for a kicking motion
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wandel
I really like what I’ve been seeing from Wandel lately
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An Avery Special!
Very sloppy second…
Crow better be setting this team right for the third!
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That.
Was. Awesome.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
I bow down to Art for that one
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Reminds me of the joke Wysh made about Elisha Cuthbert being named a grand marshal of some parade
He quipped, “Who was the first choice?”
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by Brandon Bibb on Nov 23, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
How did the refs miss that high stick!!
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There seems to be
A motivational problem to my eyes. Some shifts not finished with gusto. Some lazy pursuit.
Maybe crawford can help
by Brad Gardner on Nov 23, 2009 9:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm afraid 27 is looking younger and younger.
I keep thinking there is no way Jonas Hiller is 27.
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Holy heck - he's 27
I thought he was young enough to be my son.
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Yep, 1982.
Sadly, that is still young enough to be my son. :P
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Very OT - no one here cares but it's intermission and I hate Michigan
Michigan is out of the USCHO poll this week for the first time since Nov. 24, 1997 — almost exactly 12 years. And who’s still #1 – that would be my Miami University Redhawks. I am doing the happy dance in my stars snuggie.
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Do you actually have a Stars snuggie?
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
No but I do have a dark green bathrobe
so I could put a stars logo on the back and wear it backwards. Instant Stars snuggie. LOL
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Where's Brandon's wife?
We know what he wants for Christmas!
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I'll stick with my 20 or so Stars sweatshirts.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Is she still watching Nickelback or something?
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Oh, don't remind me.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
So...either the Stars just have this horrible luck of opposing goalies playing great...
Or they make the opposing goaltenders look great.
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Time for a Dallas Stars POWER PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Let's put this game away, please.
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Come on Stars, Myra's always got your back now show her some Birthday love
and win this game in regulation
So when the Stars play up in columbus
I think I am going to go up to the game and wear my Stars jersey. It’s the old black “away” jersey – #25 Nieuwendyk. Anyone want to take bets on how often I get my behind kicked?
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Well, I wear random jerseys, including opposing team jerseys to Stars games all the time, and never really get heckled, or pushed much, so I wouldn’t worry about it
I wore it in 2001 at a game in Buffalo
came out unscathed. Of course I was sitting with bunch of Leafs fans who out numbered the Sabres fans there. Very odd.
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Same here..
I always wear my Modano uni to Oiler and Flames games… they can’t say much because Dallas usually has good records against them…
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by Art Middleton on Nov 23, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know. I might check around first.
There are some arenas that definitely do not want to wear an opposing jersey to.
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I don't think Morrow got that one.
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Oh Brendan
Oh captain my captain
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That was ugly...
We’ll take it!
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Brad Richards with the goal.
Now the Stars go on the PK.
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Holy hell that was scary.
Corvo’s shot is INSANE.
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Nice save Turks.
Great play Fistric.
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Not pretty, but some great PK there.
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I think my heart stopped there
seriously
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Morrow is on a tear tonight.
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Wow!
I think we can say momentum is with the Stars now.. Nice kill!
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Got hit with a stick in the 2nd.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
Look at ribs
Coming to the rescue
by Brad Gardner on Nov 23, 2009 9:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Lol.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
Morrow told Ribs that Kostopoulis that he insulted his hair
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Ok...
Just play the game, don’t get hurt. This isn’t a playoff game, folks.
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But it’s the whale! Breakfasts come and go, but how often do the stars get a chance to beat up on Hartford?
(Ok, poor attempt to re-work the mall rats line)
Lol.
That was great.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
There is a fan who has season tickets that is a lifetime Whalers fan, always wears his jersey (A #16 Verbeek, so it’s not too bad) but everythime my Fiancee and I wear Hurricanes jerseys I swear he hunts us down to tell us about stealing his team.
Yeah.
They’re still bitter about that up here.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
come on Stars
i need you to wrap this up quickly. i am hungry and need to go to bed. Maybe if I think about the delightful Stars snuggie, i won’t think about the ice cream in my freezer.
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I'm trying to convince myself I don't need something to eat after the game.
I may be losing the battle.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
graeters double chocolate chips
with chips as big as your head. deeeelicious. if any of you are ever in Cincinnati, you have to go to Graeters if you like ice cream.
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Damn.
Still 8 minutes left. This game is far from over guys, keep the pressure up.
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Oh Peters
every time you’re on the ice i want to see you glide down the half boards and riffle off a wrist shot … I know I need to let go.
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I have Nieuwy flashbacks watching Neal
Combined a bit with someone else. I’ll let you know who when I figure it out.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
agree
that’s probably why i like Neal but he’s still not Joey
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That looked like it might have hurt a bit.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
Way too much time in the Stars zone.
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by laughs2loud on Nov 23, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
Niskanen leads the NHL in broken sticks. Has to.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 10:02 PM CST reply actions
Game.
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by Brandon Worley on Nov 23, 2009 10:03 PM CST reply actions
OMG!!!
TWO IN A ROW!!!
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Happy birthday indeed!
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by Art Middleton on Nov 23, 2009 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
HeHeHe. Thanks everybody!
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by laughs2loud on Nov 23, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, yes they did.
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by laughs2loud on Nov 23, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
We bought lower bowl tickets for Wednesday's game as my actual birthday present.
So they have to make it three in a row now. :D
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You will get to see Neal's return for your birthday
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Yep, and he better not board anybody again or Mother Myra might have to give him a very strong talking to. :(
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by laughs2loud on Nov 23, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
I couldn't help myself I had to look at the Canes game thread again.
The Canes play the Ducks on Wed and someone made the comment that their team will make the struggling Ducks look like their old Stanley cup team. lol
I don't know how you can read the other teams' threads.
My blood pressure can’t take it.
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by laughs2loud on Nov 23, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
What's up with the B-Rad hating in the 3 stars pick.
Manny got 3rd star. B-Rad got stuck out again. He had 1G and 1A .
Wow.
Yeah..but I can’t argue with Morrow, Turco and Legace.
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