The Neutral Zone: The Fine Line that Steve Ott Walks...
The Neutral Zone is a collection of observations and thoughts on the Dallas Stars. Not exactly a formal breakdown or analysis, but somewhere between random ramblings and actual film study.
Finally had the chance to sit and watch the game this morning and I have to say I was really impressed with what I saw. I was worried that playing the tail end of such a busy schedule, with the team already showing signs of fatigue and slow feet, would make for a very rough game on the road in St. Louis. The Stars had mighty trouble with the Blues last season who along with Chicago played perhaps the perfect type of game that attacked the Stars the best. So far this season the Stars have won both games against those same teams, both on the road.
Here are my thoughts from last night:
Perspective is a funny thing.
If you ask Dallas Stars fans who their most hated player in the NHL is you'd get a variety of answers, but the most common answers might include Bryan Marchment, Jordin Tootoo and perhaps Chris Pronger. Marchment is most likely the most notorious of them all, since his blatant dirty hit on Joe Nieuwendyk in 1998 destroyed his knee and dashed the Stars' Stanley Cup chances. Jordin Tootoo is best remembered for his late hit on Mike Modano, followed by a stiff right hook (with glove still on) to the face of Stephane Robidas, who was knocked out cold and missed a good chunk of games.
Apparently, Steve Ott has become one of those players to the rest of the NHL. If you ask hockey fans from around North America what they're opinion of Ott is, the majority would have some choice words that usually include the word "hate". In fact, it seems that there is an opinion circulating that Stars fans should be ashamed he's on the team and since we're not, then we're just as bad as he is.
Last night, Steve Ott had one of his signature games. He walked a fine line between being a spark plug for his team and being a dangerous player on the ice. Perhaps he toed that line a bit too closely last night, when he failed to attempt to back from a hit on B.J. Crombeen that resulted in direct knee on knee contact. Did Ott go for that kill shot on purpose? It didn't appear so since Crombeen tried to sidestep what would have been a devastating hit, but Ott sure didn't try to pull his leg back either.
It's all about perspective, however. All opposing fans see and remember from Steve Ott is those type of borderline hits, the ones that aren't blatantly dirty (like Tuomo Ruutu's hit on Darcy Tucker on Friday night) but still threaten to cross the line from agitation to dirty. Ott has had a number of those hits in his career, and he's been punished for them as well. His reputation now proceeds him, and he's not going to get the benefit of the doubt any longer when it comes to borderline hits.
As a Stars fan, I really like what Steve Ott brings to this team. For the most part. On one hand, he can be offensively talented player with a penchant for riling up the opposition with trash talk and big hits, drawing penalties and causing general chaos all over the ice with his energy and tenacity. On the other, he can sometimes take it too far and put this team in a bad situation. His antics can sometimes put a target on the rest of the team, while he also has a tendency to take bad penalties at the worst times. That is the Steve Ott I don't like.
There's a fine line that Ott walks. When he's on the good side of it, he is a valuable asset to this team. Last week I wrote how this Stars team needed Ott to make an immediate impact when he returned from injury. He does that by putting the puck on net, creating chances from the boards and providing a level of physicality and attitude this Stars had been lacking while he was out. But when he crosses that line it hurts this team, especially if he is suspended. That is the Ott I could live without.
A lot of hockey fans say that Ott is a player you hate to play against but would love to have on your team (although the St. Louis fans don't feel that way, apparently). He's slowly becoming a player who's reputation is that of nothing but a dirty cheap shot artist, which is far from the Steve Ott we know he can be and not the player who was the MVP of this team last season.
I'm expecting some sort of punishment for his hit on Crombeen, and it's deserved. Because he's a 'repeat offender' he may get a suspension out of it. That's when he's hurting the team, and he needs to realize that these types of hits hurt the Stars more than help them. He can only be a valuable member of the team if he's actually on the ice.
More after the jump, including video of the Ott hit last night on Crombeen.
For the record, I don't think Ott was nearly as bad and as reckless as they're making him out to be over at St. Louis Game Time. I dont' want to start a flame war between sites, I really don't believe in that, but if you're going to get that riled up over what is ultimately a borderline, questionable hit (although Ott is still at fault), then you were looking for something to get up in arms about anyway. Ott's his on Carlo Colaiacovo was perfectly clean, and I don't know how you could say a textbook hip-check is dirty. Right now, all of Blues Nation is on a head-hunting party for Steve Ott.
I will say this: the officiating in this game was horrendous and THAT is something that Blues fans should be angry about. The fact that Crombeen received an instigator penalty after taking a hit like that is atrocious, and I'm still trying to figure out how the Stars ended up with so much power play time following the scrum after the Colaiacovo hit. Supposedly there were too many men on the ice (I only counted five) The Blues were hit with too many men on the ice but I don't know why Pietrangelo managed to get two roughing minors out of it, and Tkachuk and Fistric must have really said something wrong. Who knows. Perhaps the NHL is trying to cut down on these big scrums, but it didn't seem that bad to any other scrum I've seen over the years.
On to some good stuff: This was the best Marty Turco has looked all season. I know that I went a bit far a few weeks ago and said that his shutout against Nashville was his best performance since the 2008 playoffs, but it's all relative. In that game, Turco fought to maintain his concentration and get a good shutout in a blowout, when the team in front of him let up a bit. That was impressive.
Last night, Turco was confident and in the zone. He was challenging shooters, and maintaining his angles and positioning. When Turco has his mechanics working in top shape, he's nearly unbeatable; he leaves no space for the shooter and his athleticism can make up for any mistake. It's how he looked against Vancouver in 2007 and how he looked in the 2008 playoffs as well. If not for a shot going in off his own defensemen (again!!) then Turco would have easily had his second shutout of the season.
For a goaltender that some were calling for to take a seat on the bench just a few games into the season, he's now turned it on and is playing consistently good. His line for the season:
With ten assists and 13 points, Brad Richards is tied for third in the NHL is assists and 13th in total scoring, while playing an average of two games less than those above him. Consequently, the Stars have four players in the top 30 in the NHL in scoring. Who's not up there? Ribeiro. (Richards, Neal, Eriksson and Morrow).
Here's the video of Ott's hit on Crombeen.
While the hit above is the punishable one, apparently it's the hit on Colaiacovo that's drawing the most debate. Here's video of the hit.
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Great article!
I love the energy Ott brings to the Stars. He’s also if I recall correctly one of our better forwards on faceoffs. IMO, he’s more talented than that lowlife marchment. But I think he has built up quite a reputation and I agree he will probably receive some kind of punishment for his hit on Crombeen. Unfortunately, he’s one of those players who play better with an edge and he crosses it at times.
I think the Blues though should be more upset about the officiating than Ott. Ott alone did not win us that game and the loss of Colaiacovo is not the only reason StL lost.
by Happy Girl on Oct 25, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The hip check
Was a thing of beauty. That’s called hockey.
The knee on knee thing was a stupid thing to do. He was too riled up last night and he wanted to hit him even though he was out of position to do so. At some point he needs to start thinking about his own health (aside from obviously needing to think about the health of the other guy as well).
We don’t need to lose a body on something stupid like that, we hardly have enough bodies as it is. He’ll get 1-3 games I’m betting. Anything over one is just because of his history.
by Brad Gardner on Oct 25, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good clean hipcheck?
Perhaps you goofs need to see a good clean hipcheck to know what one is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zks7jVWEFAQ
Notice that the guys getting hipchecked in that video have the puck. Anyone can low bridge a guy without the puck who’s not even in the play. That’s called a cheap shot.
/hipcheck class
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by spectr17 on Oct 25, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
even the blues commentators declared several times that the hip check was clean. You’re allowed to hit a player during a certain amount of time after he passes the puck on, and if you watch the video of the incident you will see that Ott makes contact with Coliacovo during the same second as he releases his pass.
There were a number of hits that game (most of them that people hardly took note of because they were so low impact) that took place after the player had moved the puck on, it’s called finishing your check and it’s something all NHL coaches advocate that I know of.
Really Coliacovo is half to blame for his injury, what was he doing jumping into the air when he’s about to get hip checked? no wonder he got launched so high – he started the upward momentum himself.
by Alistar on Oct 25, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Panger did say good hit on first pass
and then after another review of the play comments on how down low low down Ott went. On a good hip check you just put your hip into the guy, Ott goes down like he’s going to tie his shoelaces for one reason. That gentlemen is know as a low bridge. You can pick nits all you want, Ott has a history on this nonsense and it just adds to his resume’.
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by spectr17 on Oct 25, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So . . . .
So your contention is that it was a ‘dirty,’ or perhaps better word is ‘late,’ hip check? All right. That’s a fine description for me. There are late hits in every single game performed by players who are not stuck with the same tag Ott is.
by Chad_ on Oct 25, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another way to tell if it's a clean hit or not
When the other team lines up to knock your teeth out after the hit, that’s a good indicator your hit was dirty.
I’m old school hockey and love the smash mouth high energy guys and hits. Ott doesn’t even come close, he’s a puss who takes his cheap shots and runs n turtles. When challenged to fight we get this from Ott. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBfKfPm0p6g
Some days its just not worth chewing through the restraints
by spectr17 on Oct 25, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What great logic you're applying
Especially in this age of “lining up to knock the teeth out of anyone who hits one of our guys hard” that we live in.
And did Ott not fight Crombeen when challenged last night? Or did you conveniently block that out of your mind for the sake of your stupid argument?
by Brandon Bibb on Oct 25, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ott did last night what he did in that fight with Rivet, he went in close with the Huggy Bear move to keep from getting his head smashed in AGAIN. Ott can’t fight if you haven’t noticed yet. Here’s more proof, Thornton using him as a tune up bag after yet another Ott cheap shot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0DomVGAM9E. That’s a skill forward beating up a supposed bad azz Ott. What next, you need a goalie to whip his pansy azz to learn what the rest of the whole league already knows?.
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by spectr17 on Oct 25, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you get tired moving goalposts?
First it’s “Ott is a p*ssy because he won’t fight.” When that argument gets debunked, you focus on his skills as a fighter.
Ott’s job isn’t necessarily to be a good fighter. That’s why we have Bar…OK, getting back to Ott, his job is to be an agitator.
And judging by how the Blues reacted after the legal hip check, he did his job rather well last night. I’m not saying people have to appreciate it. I’m just saying that’s what he does.
I’m done arguing about this.
by Brandon Bibb on Oct 25, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you call what Ott does fighting then yeah, you’re done arguing since you don’t have an argument.
Agitators? I’ve seen a bunch who could agite with the best and didn’t have to resort to the cheap shots. Esa Tikkanon and Tyson NAsh come to mind.
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by spectr17 on Oct 25, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, so when a player lays a clean hit that’s hard and aimed at the opposing team’s star player, resulting in another playing rushing to his aid, it’s all of the sudden a dirty hit?
You aren’t “old school hockey” if you believe that. There didn’t used to be an automatic retaliatory fight, or groping as is more often the case, after a hard hit. There is now. So now, according to your logic, every hit that rankles the opposing team is dirty.
Then again, I can tell you’re big into exaggerating in an effort to try to somehow prove your point. Indicating Ott went “down like he’s going to tie his shoelaces” is, I suppose, going to impress upon those who disagree with your argument a hip check is dirty that it indeed was. Why stop there? Why not argue Ott dug under the ~1 1/2" ice surface to get lower and fully under Cola?
For the record, I don’t like hip checks, but they aren’t deemed dirty. As a self-described “old school hockey” fan, you should know that.
by Chad_ on Oct 25, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"old school hockey"
had players defend their stars if someone hit them. Gretzsky in LA? ever watch those games? there’s been automatic retaliation for since Orr’s day. Think the bruins didn’t stand up for him?
by agvdstars on Oct 25, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are confusing a clean hit versus taking a run at another player. The former is what I was referring to being a difference between “old school hockey” and today’s game. There are too many clean, hard hits today that are misconstrued as taking a run at players.
by Chad_ on Oct 25, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the slow-mo from the video posted above in this article it looked like Ott’s hip hit Colaiacovo’s hip. It’s not like his hip hit the dude in his knee or anything. At 22 seconds in you can clearly see the contact.
And it’s not like Colaiacovo didn’t know the check was coming. At 12 seconds you can see where he lifted his foot, like he was preparing to slide over Ott’s rump like they slide over the hood of a car in movies. Didn’t work, but that’s what it looked like.
It was a huge hit; I personally cringed when I saw it because I hate to see guys hurt and the way he landed looked painful. However he knew the check was coming and had the ability to position himself for it if he so choose to. It’s not like Ott hipchecked the guy’s knees from behind or even hip-checked Colaiacovo when his head was down.
Just because a check looks devastating doesn’t mean it was dirty.
by SConn on Oct 25, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As always, well said and great objectivity.
Thanks for the balanced perspective on Otter. I cannot write about Ott’s play when he is borderline like this. I cannot be objective. :)
Also, Razor was on fire last night. You have to give your favorite line of the night. Ours was his comment on a Turco save. “He went up on his toes like a dwarf at a urinal to make that save.”
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by laughs2loud on Oct 25, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
too many men
hey Brandon, I have center ice and was watching the blues stream (which was the only one available), and they clearly pointed out all 6 blues skaters on the ice during the scrum involving Ott
by Alistar on Oct 25, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw that myself..
They mis-counted. They counted one of the players in the middle of the scrum as a Blues player during a freeze frame ("Is that one in the middle there? That’s six). Then when they started the video again, you could see there wasn’t another Blues player in the middle. As soon as I can, I’ll see if I can post a screen cap.
I could be wrong.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 25, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's just me..
But the “knee-on-knee” hit looks more like “thigh-on-thigh.”
Or is that just the way that hits like that are described?
by viralphrame on Oct 25, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah....
That’s just how they’re described.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 25, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I think you are. I’ll look again in the archived footage if I can find it, but I’m pretty sure that guy was a blues player – otherwise it would be 3 Stars players wrestling with themselves :)
by Alistar on Oct 25, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll admit it if I am wrong...
Waiting for the download to finish…..
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 25, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
I didn’t mean to put it like that lol
but as a former official, I tend to stand by the refs – and they wouldn’t have made that call unless they were absolutly sure of it. Believe it or not they are highly trained professionals that get the right call more often then not and I have every confidence they can count up to 6. The fact is there was 6 blues players on the ice, and I think the footage will show it even if it’s not entirely clear.
What obviously happened is a Blues player started to change, a guy hopped on the ice, and then Ott hit coliacovo and went after that other guy – and the player that was heading off didn’t go off – instead getting involved in the scrap.
I guarantee that the official who made the call would have counted twice and confirmed it with one of the other officials. I’m sure too many men calls have been made incorrectly before, but I can’t remember the last time I saw one..
by Alistar on Oct 25, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense here.
I was just sayin…if I’m wrong, I’ll fix it.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 25, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
Now that I can watch it over and over again, I can understand the Tkachuk and Fistric penalties.
Ott and Pietrangelo were locked up and Tkachuk came roaring in trying to get at Ott himself. Fistric stepped in to stop him, and the two went at it as Tkachuk did his best to get at Ott through several players.
Seemed to me the Blues players were more pissed at Ott for taking on Pietrangelo than the hit on Colaiacovo.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 25, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's Ott supposed to do?
“Oh, I’m sorry, you’re only 19. You can’t come after me like that.”
When all 5 guys on the ice want after you, beggars can’t be choosers.
by Brandon Bibb on Oct 25, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Video of the hit on Colaiacovo has been added above....
I really don’t see how that can be classified as a blatantly late hit. If that was along the boards, Ott would just be finishing his check.
Colaiacovo tried to turn to avoid the hit, which made it look worse.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The beef ain’t with the late hit or finishing the check, the rub is low bridging a guy like that. That would also explain the scrum that ensued if you’re wondering what that was all about too. Even the rook knew it.
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by spectr17 on Oct 25, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I don’t see the low bridge.
But do continue seeing what you want to see.
by Brandon Bibb on Oct 25, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not just me.
http://www.bnd.com/372/story/980128.html
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
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by spectr17 on Oct 25, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're a prime example
Every single point you’ve tried to make on this hit has been debunked.
You might as well give up, old man.
by Brandon Bibb on Oct 25, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that you Otter?
I thought you were done with this discussion loudmouth? Get control of yourself punk.
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by spectr17 on Oct 26, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, ok....
Let’s keep the name calling to minimum. Everybody.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 26, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I Really Don't Like
about Ott is that every time he does anything, opposing fans come out of the woodwork to whine about it. Claiming he is a dead man and that if the team doesn’t take him out, someone will personally end his life is not only beyond classless, but it’s also moronic.
Grow the fuck up and stop being childish. Last time I checked, making death threats is a serious matter which can have legal repercussions.
by JCWM2 on Oct 25, 2009 6:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This ^^ Don’t make this personal; wish for suspension, wish for the league to kick him out, wish for an enforcer to teach him a lesson. Never wish something to happen to any player personally.
Even the goons and thugs on the ice are typically good guys off the ice.
by SConn on Oct 25, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Otter
Ott does what Ott knows to do and he does it very well. As far as being hated, I don’t understand that because there are so many more that are just plain evil and appear to plan ahead to hurt someone. Take Jarkko Ruutu. That is one bad dude and I’m not certain that he has the brain power anymore to make proper decisions. He hurts just to hurt. The same can be said for Pronger. Although I would say there is more intelligence there, there is still the desire to hurt and he does not hesitate to do it. Jordan Tootoo is another one that can be set off quite easily. How about Darcy Tucker. He got some of his own medicine last week. I don’t ever like to see anything done like that to take a player out, even if the player is one of the “hated” ones.
Otter plays with passion and it is contagious. When you see Otter or Brenden putting everything they have into a game, you see the rest of the team following suit. I don’t condone any illegal plays or hits with the intention to harm but I do appreciate Otter’s passion and would never call him a thug. There are plenty of others in the NHL that fit that description but Otter is NOT one of them.
by StarsRule on Oct 25, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
About the hip check
Scuderi just laid out chimera much lower than Ott did in the CBJ v LAK game and didn’t get called for anything.
by Happy Girl on Oct 25, 2009 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The difference between Otter and the rest of the NHL’s “head-hunters” is that Ott is a complete stud. He’s not a mean guy in his nature, he’s just a bit evil. Well, maybe not evil, but more…mischievous.
I’m not ashamed to be a huge fan of Otter’s :)
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Oct 26, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least he didn’t gauge anybody’s eyes this time — Ott’s reputation is trending up!
http://www.battleofcali.com/
by Earl Sleek on Oct 26, 2009 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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